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Next to Arsenal and Chelski this is the team I hate the most. Got to beat em, just got to.
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The Bubble Blowers amuse me Baz. Their delusions of grandeur mixed with a deep inferiority complex are a remarkable mix indeed . . . ..
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Yes mate, in other words they think they are a big team LMAO.
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West Ham: What's going right for Sam Allardyce's team?
West Ham co-chairman David Gold takes a deep breath as he ponders the question - what was the club like when he and business partner David Sullivan took over nearly three years ago?
"I dread to think back. We had serious debt issues, the club was close to administration. Had we not done the deal the incumbent owners would have had nothing else to do than sell three of their best players," he said.
Last Sunday seemed a world away as victory at Newcastle pushed the Hammers to sixth in the Premier League in their first season since promotion via the play-offs.
Gold said West Ham's debts, which stood at £110m when they took over in January 2010, will be down to nearer £70m by the end of the season.
"I have to confess we would not have taken on any other football club in that financial state," said lifelong Hammers fan Gold.
"If you have got a serious debt that is harming the club and you are making cuts all around, it's a negative.
"The performance on the pitch helps the financial situation, and the financial situation helps what happens on the pitch."
Midfielder Mark Noble, who has been at the club since he was 11, says there is a happier feel now.
"It was sort of all over the place. They've come in, settled the place down and brought in a top experienced manager in Sam Allardyce. The place needed a bit of stability and the club are seeing the benefits on the pitch," he said.
Noble, 25, and 76-year-old Gold may be half a century apart in years but they are cut from the same claret and blue cloth. Local lads who grew up supporting the side.
They both point to the influence of Allardyce, an appointment in the summer of 2011 which was not universally accepted by fans of the so-called 'Academy of Football' worried about his perceived long-ball game.
"His man management is second to none," said Noble.
"Sam likes his teams to be organised and every detail to be bang on and that's making the difference. We are keeping clean sheets, we are working hard as a team and are hard to break down. It's enjoyable to be out there at the moment."
While statistics show West Ham have played a relatively high percentage of long balls, many fans have warmed to Allardyce.
"The supporters are generally happy with the progress of the team and the kind of football being played," said Graeme Howlett, editor of supporters' website Knees Up Mother Brown.
"In the 1966 World Cup final, Bobby Moore played a 60-yard pass on to Geoff Hurst's toe for England's fourth goal and I don't recall too many people complaining about that.
"Sam Allardyce is doing a good job with one of the best squads we've had for many, many years, and he's adaptable, changing tactics when necessary."
Noble talks of Allardyce's attention to detail, analysing opponents' strengths and weaknesses, and targeting free-kicks, corners and throw-ins as areas to focus on.
"He reminds us every weekend how many goals are scored from set-plays, free-kicks and corners. He likes to nail them down and it's made a huge difference to us over the last two seasons," said the club's longest-serving player.
"I know the manager gets labelled with the long ball. He tells me every game to get on the ball and make us play and he's never ever told me to just get the ball and boot it.
"Some of the passing against Newcastle, Manchester City, Southampton and QPR was brilliant where we played on the floor."
West Ham's new owners sacked Gianfranco Zola and Avram Grant as managers in their first 18 months at the club and Gold said he studied videos of Allardyce's former sides before appointing him.
"Once we were relegated, we knew Sam was our main target because we knew what was lacking at the football club, particularly at the training ground, I recognised it, and that was discipline. There was no discipline, there was a lack of camaraderie. There was some, but it was fragmented.
"You needed a man with a bit of steel about him. There was a concern, and fans made it clear to us, that he plays the long ball game.
"When you looked at the DVDs of when he was at Bolton, Newcastle and Blackburn, I didn't see this long ball game. What I did see when he was losing 1-0 with 10 minutes to go was a barrage of long balls, but then I saw it from Barcelona - they hump it into the box, it's human nature. There's a lot of great football coming from Sam."
Gold said captain Kevin Nolan, who dropped down a division to team up again with his former Newcastle boss Allardyce in the Championship, has been the lynchpin in West Ham's success.
"Nolan is probably the best captain I've had in my 20 years in football. He's certainly as good a captain as Steve Bruce at Birmingham, if not better," said Gold, who was at St Andrew's for 16 years.
"He's not just a captain on the field but also in the dressing room, on the training ground, in the dining room. He encourages, he leads by example."
Midfielder Nolan has teamed up with former team-mate Andy Carroll, and West Ham hope the striker will stay until the end of the season despite a loan deal which gives Liverpool the option of recalling him in January.
"I'm hoping things stay as they are because there's no doubt the relationship between Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan is a strong one. Although Andy isn't scoring the goals, Kevin is. They play off each other and Kevin is benefiting from Andy's presence," said Gold.
"Andy Carroll is a big strong man, and the relationship between him and Kevin Nolan on and off the pitch has been really special."
Noble wants to see West Ham, who host Stoke City on Monday night, established as a Premier League fixture.
"We've had a great start. I think the target is not to get sloppy and think we've done enough already," he said.
"Look at the likes of Everton and clubs like that who are in about eighth, seventh, sixth every season.
"We have got the foundations to be a top eight team and I think that will be the main goal of me being at the club. To win a cup would be fantastic."
Many of Noble's friends are West Ham supporters and he senses an enthusiasm among them.
"The fans are absolutely buzzing at the minute. There were times before when I didn't want to answer my phone after games as I didn't want to answer the questions. The last couple of seasons we have been winning games and it's been enjoyable."
West Ham co-chairman David Gold takes a deep breath as he ponders the question - what was the club like when he and business partner David Sullivan took over nearly three years ago?
"I dread to think back. We had serious debt issues, the club was close to administration. Had we not done the deal the incumbent owners would have had nothing else to do than sell three of their best players," he said.
Last Sunday seemed a world away as victory at Newcastle pushed the Hammers to sixth in the Premier League in their first season since promotion via the play-offs.
Gold said West Ham's debts, which stood at £110m when they took over in January 2010, will be down to nearer £70m by the end of the season.
"I have to confess we would not have taken on any other football club in that financial state," said lifelong Hammers fan Gold.
"If you have got a serious debt that is harming the club and you are making cuts all around, it's a negative.
"The performance on the pitch helps the financial situation, and the financial situation helps what happens on the pitch."
Midfielder Mark Noble, who has been at the club since he was 11, says there is a happier feel now.
"It was sort of all over the place. They've come in, settled the place down and brought in a top experienced manager in Sam Allardyce. The place needed a bit of stability and the club are seeing the benefits on the pitch," he said.
Noble, 25, and 76-year-old Gold may be half a century apart in years but they are cut from the same claret and blue cloth. Local lads who grew up supporting the side.
They both point to the influence of Allardyce, an appointment in the summer of 2011 which was not universally accepted by fans of the so-called 'Academy of Football' worried about his perceived long-ball game.
"His man management is second to none," said Noble.
"Sam likes his teams to be organised and every detail to be bang on and that's making the difference. We are keeping clean sheets, we are working hard as a team and are hard to break down. It's enjoyable to be out there at the moment."
While statistics show West Ham have played a relatively high percentage of long balls, many fans have warmed to Allardyce.
"The supporters are generally happy with the progress of the team and the kind of football being played," said Graeme Howlett, editor of supporters' website Knees Up Mother Brown.
"In the 1966 World Cup final, Bobby Moore played a 60-yard pass on to Geoff Hurst's toe for England's fourth goal and I don't recall too many people complaining about that.
"Sam Allardyce is doing a good job with one of the best squads we've had for many, many years, and he's adaptable, changing tactics when necessary."
Noble talks of Allardyce's attention to detail, analysing opponents' strengths and weaknesses, and targeting free-kicks, corners and throw-ins as areas to focus on.
"He reminds us every weekend how many goals are scored from set-plays, free-kicks and corners. He likes to nail them down and it's made a huge difference to us over the last two seasons," said the club's longest-serving player.
"I know the manager gets labelled with the long ball. He tells me every game to get on the ball and make us play and he's never ever told me to just get the ball and boot it.
"Some of the passing against Newcastle, Manchester City, Southampton and QPR was brilliant where we played on the floor."
West Ham's new owners sacked Gianfranco Zola and Avram Grant as managers in their first 18 months at the club and Gold said he studied videos of Allardyce's former sides before appointing him.
"Once we were relegated, we knew Sam was our main target because we knew what was lacking at the football club, particularly at the training ground, I recognised it, and that was discipline. There was no discipline, there was a lack of camaraderie. There was some, but it was fragmented.
"You needed a man with a bit of steel about him. There was a concern, and fans made it clear to us, that he plays the long ball game.
"When you looked at the DVDs of when he was at Bolton, Newcastle and Blackburn, I didn't see this long ball game. What I did see when he was losing 1-0 with 10 minutes to go was a barrage of long balls, but then I saw it from Barcelona - they hump it into the box, it's human nature. There's a lot of great football coming from Sam."
Gold said captain Kevin Nolan, who dropped down a division to team up again with his former Newcastle boss Allardyce in the Championship, has been the lynchpin in West Ham's success.
"Nolan is probably the best captain I've had in my 20 years in football. He's certainly as good a captain as Steve Bruce at Birmingham, if not better," said Gold, who was at St Andrew's for 16 years.
"He's not just a captain on the field but also in the dressing room, on the training ground, in the dining room. He encourages, he leads by example."
Midfielder Nolan has teamed up with former team-mate Andy Carroll, and West Ham hope the striker will stay until the end of the season despite a loan deal which gives Liverpool the option of recalling him in January.
"I'm hoping things stay as they are because there's no doubt the relationship between Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan is a strong one. Although Andy isn't scoring the goals, Kevin is. They play off each other and Kevin is benefiting from Andy's presence," said Gold.
"Andy Carroll is a big strong man, and the relationship between him and Kevin Nolan on and off the pitch has been really special."
Noble wants to see West Ham, who host Stoke City on Monday night, established as a Premier League fixture.
"We've had a great start. I think the target is not to get sloppy and think we've done enough already," he said.
"Look at the likes of Everton and clubs like that who are in about eighth, seventh, sixth every season.
"We have got the foundations to be a top eight team and I think that will be the main goal of me being at the club. To win a cup would be fantastic."
Many of Noble's friends are West Ham supporters and he senses an enthusiasm among them.
"The fans are absolutely buzzing at the minute. There were times before when I didn't want to answer my phone after games as I didn't want to answer the questions. The last couple of seasons we have been winning games and it's been enjoyable."
Guest- Guest
i think there fans are the worst.
they hate us. they even perfer them other lot to us.
they hate us. they even perfer them other lot to us.
shearspur- Champions League
everybody hates us most i think, after utd.all london teams hate us most. just the way we like it lol
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Looking at Dembele this evening I don't think he will start Sunday but I think he will get at least half an hour. Saying that I hope he does start. I reckon we will start something along the lines of the arsenil game but with Defoe on his own & probably Dumpsy just behind due to Adabadbacks suspension.
Me I would go for 3 at the back along the lines of this and this is presuming Dembele starts
Me I would go for 3 at the back along the lines of this and this is presuming Dembele starts
Lloris
Vertonghen Dawson Naughton
Sandro
Carroll Dembele
Bale Siggurdson Lennon
Defoe
If Dembele dosen't start the I would probably go for Thudd along side Carroll . . . .. Vertonghen Dawson Naughton
Sandro
Carroll Dembele
Bale Siggurdson Lennon
Defoe
Guest- Guest
dont start him. ease him back bring him on around 60mins. we got another big game midweek.
i guess we should go with the same team apart from lennon in for either of them 2 new guys lol
i guess we should go with the same team apart from lennon in for either of them 2 new guys lol
seebee1944- Premiership
Like the thought of Carroll starting and Dembele coming on later. Carrolls through ball for the (wrongly ) disallowed goal was sublime.
ArnieArdiles- Champions League
I go with the same midfield as Vis.
My preferred line-up
_________________Lloris
Walker____ Dawson____ Caulker____ Vertonghen
____________Sandro____Carroll
______Lennon___ Dembele______Bale
__________________Defoe
My plan would be for Dempsey and Siggy to come on for Carroll and Dembele, for the last half hour or so. I also see Dawson starting this one but if he comes in, I can see AVB going with Gallas instead of Caulker.
My preferred line-up
_________________Lloris
Walker____ Dawson____ Caulker____ Vertonghen
____________Sandro____Carroll
______Lennon___ Dembele______Bale
__________________Defoe
My plan would be for Dempsey and Siggy to come on for Carroll and Dembele, for the last half hour or so. I also see Dawson starting this one but if he comes in, I can see AVB going with Gallas instead of Caulker.
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TEAM NEWS
Spurs striker Emmanuel Adebayor serves the first match of a three-game ban for his sending off against Arsenal.
Mousa Dembele is a doubt as he still feels discomfort in his hip despite making his comeback from a month-long injury lay-off at Lazio.
Yossi Benayoun remains sidelined for West Ham but winger Matt Jarvis returns to the squad after overcoming a shin injury.
Jack Collison (knee) and Ricardo Vaz Te (shoulder) are out.
MATCH PREVIEW
Football managers are a bit like chickens in their coop - when one is dragged off for the chop it tends to leave the others feeling distinctly uneasy.
The sudden and savage nature of the sacking of Roberto Di Matteo at Chelsea will have sent a few feathers flying but will not have surprised Andre Villas Boas, whose reign of 40 matches at Stamford Bridge spanned just two fewer games than that of the Italian.
In succeeding Harry Redknapp at Spurs, Villas Boas took over from a manager who was extremely popular with the fans, had just guided the club to fourth in the Premier League and whose common touch had only recently made him favourite for the England job with the public at large.
Under those circumstances any manager needs a good start, but Tottenham have, so far, been average under the Portuguese. Four defeats in their last five Premier League games have left him looking vulnerable and he must be hoping Daniel Levy will prove more supportive than Roman Abramovich.
Comparisons to those Tottenham managerial mishaps embodied by Christian Gross and Jacques Santini are premature; neither had Villas Boas's charm or his command of English, but he does need a winning streak.
West Ham have been punching above their weight this season and are entering a run of fixtures which will be a severe test of their credentials.
After Spurs, it's Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, West Brom, Everton and Arsenal in a fearsome, frantic month. Even five or six points from those seven games would be a terrific achievement for a squad which has only a smattering of real quality supported by a cast reliant on perspiration rather than inspiration.
The one guy at West Ham who doesn't need to be sweating is Sam Allardyce - one of the few chickens feeling safe in his coop.
MATCH FACTS
Head-to-head
Tottenham are unbeaten in their last 10 Premier League home games against West Ham (W6, D4).
West Ham have won just one of their last 10 Premier League encounters with Spurs (W1, D2, L7).
Tottenham Hotspur
Tottenham have lost their last three Premier League games; they have not lost four consecutive league games since a six-match losing streak in 2004-05.
Eighth-placed Spurs are 11 points worse off than they were at the equivalent stage of last season, when they were third in the table.
Andre Villas Boas's side have conceded 13 goals in their last five Premier League games.
Spurs have kept just one clean sheet in the Premier League this season in a 2-0 win against Aston Villa.
West Ham United
West Ham's total of 19 points from their first 12 games equals their best return at this stage of a Premier League season, set in 2005-06.
Only Manchester City (10) and Stoke (11) have conceded fewer goals in the Premier League this season than West Ham (12).
The Hammers have scored just four league goals away from Upton Park this season. Only Norwich and Aston Villa (3) have a worse record.
Andy Carroll has not scored in his last 14 Premier League appearances.
Spurs striker Emmanuel Adebayor serves the first match of a three-game ban for his sending off against Arsenal.
Mousa Dembele is a doubt as he still feels discomfort in his hip despite making his comeback from a month-long injury lay-off at Lazio.
Yossi Benayoun remains sidelined for West Ham but winger Matt Jarvis returns to the squad after overcoming a shin injury.
Jack Collison (knee) and Ricardo Vaz Te (shoulder) are out.
MATCH PREVIEW
Football managers are a bit like chickens in their coop - when one is dragged off for the chop it tends to leave the others feeling distinctly uneasy.
The sudden and savage nature of the sacking of Roberto Di Matteo at Chelsea will have sent a few feathers flying but will not have surprised Andre Villas Boas, whose reign of 40 matches at Stamford Bridge spanned just two fewer games than that of the Italian.
In succeeding Harry Redknapp at Spurs, Villas Boas took over from a manager who was extremely popular with the fans, had just guided the club to fourth in the Premier League and whose common touch had only recently made him favourite for the England job with the public at large.
Under those circumstances any manager needs a good start, but Tottenham have, so far, been average under the Portuguese. Four defeats in their last five Premier League games have left him looking vulnerable and he must be hoping Daniel Levy will prove more supportive than Roman Abramovich.
Comparisons to those Tottenham managerial mishaps embodied by Christian Gross and Jacques Santini are premature; neither had Villas Boas's charm or his command of English, but he does need a winning streak.
West Ham have been punching above their weight this season and are entering a run of fixtures which will be a severe test of their credentials.
After Spurs, it's Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, West Brom, Everton and Arsenal in a fearsome, frantic month. Even five or six points from those seven games would be a terrific achievement for a squad which has only a smattering of real quality supported by a cast reliant on perspiration rather than inspiration.
The one guy at West Ham who doesn't need to be sweating is Sam Allardyce - one of the few chickens feeling safe in his coop.
MATCH FACTS
Head-to-head
Tottenham are unbeaten in their last 10 Premier League home games against West Ham (W6, D4).
West Ham have won just one of their last 10 Premier League encounters with Spurs (W1, D2, L7).
Tottenham Hotspur
Tottenham have lost their last three Premier League games; they have not lost four consecutive league games since a six-match losing streak in 2004-05.
Eighth-placed Spurs are 11 points worse off than they were at the equivalent stage of last season, when they were third in the table.
Andre Villas Boas's side have conceded 13 goals in their last five Premier League games.
Spurs have kept just one clean sheet in the Premier League this season in a 2-0 win against Aston Villa.
West Ham United
West Ham's total of 19 points from their first 12 games equals their best return at this stage of a Premier League season, set in 2005-06.
Only Manchester City (10) and Stoke (11) have conceded fewer goals in the Premier League this season than West Ham (12).
The Hammers have scored just four league goals away from Upton Park this season. Only Norwich and Aston Villa (3) have a worse record.
Andy Carroll has not scored in his last 14 Premier League appearances.
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BREAKING TOTTENHAM TEAM NEWS
Michael Dawson is preferred to William Gallas at centre-back and Clint Dempsey replaces the suspended Emmaqnuel Adebayor. West Ham are unchanged from Monday's draw with Stoke.
Michael Dawson is preferred to William Gallas at centre-back and Clint Dempsey replaces the suspended Emmaqnuel Adebayor. West Ham are unchanged from Monday's draw with Stoke.
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yay dawson back. hope we keep a clean sheet now
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cant find a sopcast link . just normal flash linkshttp://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=176291&part=sports
shearspur- Champions League
try . premiershipstreams channel 7 its on.
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Wiziwig are saying it's on YES channel . . . .
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/6816
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/6816
Guest- Guest
A random fact-
Apparently if premier league games lasted only 80mins this season, spurs would-be second... Behind west Brom
Apparently if premier league games lasted only 80mins this season, spurs would-be second... Behind west Brom
Guest- Guest
London police are reporting a vast number of West Ham fans turning up at Wembley.
SSN spoke to one deluded Spammer, "We reckoned as it is our Cup Final this was where we were going to!"
Police have now pointed them in the direction of White Hart Lane!! #COYS
SSN spoke to one deluded Spammer, "We reckoned as it is our Cup Final this was where we were going to!"
Police have now pointed them in the direction of White Hart Lane!! #COYS
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Sopcast channel is working guys . . . .
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yep its on that channel but its playin up a bit
DJSR- Admin
decent stream here >> CLICK HERE
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