by ionman34 Thu Mar 04 2010, 19:39
[quote="BazSpur (Admin)"]I think sometimes though you have to cut posters a bit of slack Ion. Maybe some don't want to get into a debate about it. You know what its like for some people. They have their thoughts and views and some just don't want to argue the toss.
Fair point Baz. But on the flip side, why would you offer an opinion if you weren't prepared to argue it? Take Lought for an example, where Redknapp is concerned we are on opposite poles in our assessment. I disagree totally with Lought but he backs up what he says with the facts, as he sees them, and I have the utmost respect for him on that.
Sometimes I am overbearing I know, and I can only apologise to those posters I respect, which is the vast majority, if I have ever put that thought into your heads. The thing is, it's the outlandish or undermining posts that I take umbrage with. And be honest mate, when have I ever initiated a slanging match? I'll read a post that looks to undermine and respond to every point with a counter argument.
I do it because it needs to be out there. If all you hear is negative then it stands to reason that you'll start believing it after a while. I see only positive in what is being built and I feel that, as a SUPPORTER, I need to support it.
Maybe, just maybe they realise you are a good debater and feel a little put off by entering into a debate with you.
That's sad really because I enjoy it regardless of who I'm debating with. I've had some really great long term conversations on here with people I disagreed with. Never a bad word spoken and both parties coming out a little bit wiser for the experience.
I don't get into tear ups with these guys as there's give and take and acceptance of ideas and opinions. I got into the last tear up after being called a 'soft cock' because I reminded the poster of just where we are and who has taken us there.
Before you say it Baz, whether it was directly at me or just Harry supporters in general, as I'm one of them it was then directed at me.
And anyone else who believes we have a good manager.
Have a think about that mate. It kind of went under the radar that he sent the insult at the majority of the board, yourself included.
I dunno mate there may be many reasons they don't want to put out their reasons (I know reasons twice in the same sentence lol) for thinking the way they do. I don't question everything people say unless they say it to me. You question even if its not put to you.
It's on a public forum mate! It was a contentious opinion on a contentious subject.
This is open debate mate, private messages are for MSN.
I am not saying thats wrong just that sometimes posters may not want to enter into a debate about it.
See above.
Maybe they feel intimidated by you.
That certainly wasn't the case here was it. He kicked it off, he entered into the debate with me, he didn't like what he heard so he resorted to insults and I responded in kind. You told us to rein it in and I respected your request.
He then disappeared for a few weeks, comes back onto the pages and, from first post to last, he's been spoiling for it. He initiated another one by addressing me directly, I responded like an Adult giving him an opinion and asking him his.
My response was 'Bring it on Bitch!'
Twice now and you think I might be the aggressive one LOL!!
Maybe they feel that whatever they say will be seized upon and ripped to pieces which you are more than capable of doing.
Only when provoked to it though Baz, my first recourse is always to get into a decent debate.
End of the day Ion anyone can say anything they like and to be honest they really don't have to explain why they said what they said.
There we disagree Baz. I'm a great believer that if you want to put it out there then you'd damned well better be prepared to back it. You have no right to slag off any part of my team if I don't have the right to defend it. What p*sses these people off is that I defend it better than they can attack it.
What does it tell you about these people? When offered a strong argument showing them that things are much better than they think do these people feel better? Or do they shut it out because they don't fancy the manager and want the team dismantled once again until they get one they do?
You'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson with Hoddle.
If however they enter into a debate and say you are wrong then I agree they should explain why.
Which is precisely the situation here mate. Have you read the Ruck Room posts mate? I was civil with the guy right up until the point where the guy called me an idiot because he was unable to read the post correctly.
The response is probably why we haven't seen him on here for the past few days.
I never singled him out, quite the opposite actually. But he made his own bed so now let him lie in it.
Its not about being dense or thick. Its about being on a forum and having a point of view where if you don't want to, you don't have to explain yourself to anyone.
Again we'll have to agree to differ there mate. On an open forum you have no right to an opinion if no one else has the right to question it.
If you have an opinion but cannot give a reason why you have that opinion the, I'm sorry mate, but that really is dense. Might as well be a Parrot mouthing off words because you heard someone else saying them.
You have my utmost respect Baz, along with many others on here, because you are able to argue and, more than that, you have the open mind necessary to accept other ideas and integrate them into your thinking.
Truly mate, I'm not here to score points and I don't set out to belittle people. I do well in arguments because I'm informed on the subject. If I'm not then I'll either shut up or offer a supposition. Normally the latter because I hope to get people thinking in a more positive vein.
I'm not sorry for the way I treated Tress, all I did was pay him in his own coin. However, if you or anyone else has found me offensive then I apologise.
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