Where would we be ?

I know the subject of jol has run its course on this forum, over the years and particularly after the events of his sacking, but in retrospect you have to sit back and think where would we be if he was still in charge today.

Would he finally have got us above 5th, would he have gotten us involved in a relegation fight, might he have won a cup or something in the last few years that ramos and then harry have since been in charge ?

Well its all immaterial really but with nobody posting much i thought i would ask the question.

In my own opinion i dont think we would have gone down under jol, but i dont think he would have taken us any further than he had already done in the seasons before .

You have to ask the question " what has he done since " ? and of course the major one of "would you want him in charge now " instead of harry?

Jol was good for spurs and a proud man who was badly treated, but i personally dont think he would have achieved what harry has done in his short time as manager...........so i suppose you have to say that it all happened for the best even though it wasnt nice at the time .

I'd love to see Jol replace Redknapp when the england job comes up, i think jol has gained alot more experience since his departure .. crazy but who esle is there ..jol wont take anyother job in england because of his ties to THFC i believe

Wasn't just lasagnegate it was two points dropped at OT despite Mendes "goal" we would have been fourth with those. Yeah I wouldn't mind the big man back when/if Harry goes.

Excellent question Lew. I think Big Mart would have taken us further had he been given the time to do so. Footballing dynastys are not built in 1 or 2 seasons but over many. I see a lot of similarites between Big Mart & 'arry in the style of play & a naivety at times with the use of subs and changing tactics through a game. This is not a criticism of either. Just part of their attacking styles. As for what he has acheived since, well 5th with Hamburg and the semi's of German Cup & Uefa Cup, then runners-up in Dutch League and the Dutch Cup (also scoring goals for fun) with Ajax was not too sad at all. OK he blew it in the C/L but 'arry nearly did in the qualifying. I was always a huge fan of his and should the circumstances ever be right I would love to see him back at The Lane . . . . .

Ion, baz and all, i have to answer truthfully that i personally think there is a lot of sentimentality attached to martin jol, from spurs supporters.....especially regarding the nature of his sacking !

.....and i really dont want to incite a paragraph dissection from ion on this matter because it really is a contentious subject, but for all he did at spurs there is really one aspect of his managerial qualities that we all questioned on the old aol board, namely his tactical prowess.

It was a chink in his armour.......i remember the game against ramos,s seville, the game that made ramos look like a manager on another planet, so much so that levy chased after him and besmirched the name of tottenham hotspur.

But i didnt bring the subject up to knock martin because i have to admit in that last fatal season he had lost so many defenders, that such an intelligent man as levy didnt see the situation as it truly was.

It will always be a mystery ! whether jol would have gone on and achieved what harry has done..who knows ? but yes i would like to see him back at whl one day and he did promise the fans he would be back.....

hes a really nice guy who done ok for us.
would we have won the carling cup with jol here. nope no way.

hes teams was always unfit. played for 60minutes then they run out of puff. theres no way he would have the balls to to take our right back off at half time aganst chelsea and go for it.

every since hes left spurs he spends 1 maybe 2 seasons at a club then jumps ship.

the truth is as a person i trust and like him more then harry but i dont think jol would of got us where harry has

Would Levy ask him back?
Would Jol come back after the way he went?
Is Jol a better manager than the cureent top 4/5 Managers/
Do I like Jol, yes.
Jol done a Fab Job for us after Santini walked out on us.
Jol Done what he had to do.
The Big Q is this in my opinion, is Jol a better Mangaer than Harry?
After Harry, do we need a beter Manager than Harry?

Would it not be possible for Harry to Manage Club and Country? I dont know how these things work.
However, It is some time of As Ion points out (Thanks for the reply)
I think Arry would be involved in apponting his sucsessor.
Clive Allen Gets my Vote.

I, like most on here, liked Jol a lot and for a couple of seasons he gave us hope. But could he have done what Harry has done I don't believe so and I also think had he stayed we probably would have gone down.

I think he had taken us as far as he could go and don't forget that another reason he was fired was that he had "lost the dressing room." Players, supposedly were not happy with his tactics.

I agree when Lew says that a lot of it is sentimentality with Jol. Zola was a nice guy but not a good manager. Be thankful that he has gone or we would not have Harry and be were we are now.

I remember when it seemed that time was running out for Jol and he could be leaving, someone on a radio station, I think it was TALK sport, said that a "insider" has said the feeling at the club was that he had been a lucky manager and his time is up.

That criticism could I suppose be leveled at Harry but who cares we are riding high and what ever he has or does is working but in the end it wasn't for big Mart.

Mikey M