Olympic stadium.....

The reason Spurs have been linked with playing at the Olympic Stadium is to start building the new stadium, we need another place to play our football.

This should clear it up lads

Stadium plans update
06 October 2010
ShareWe are aware that coverage of comments made by AEG yesterday have been interpreted by the media in various ways concerning the Club's position in respect of the Northumberland Development Project and the Olympic Stadium site.

We should like to make two things absolutely clear at this stage: firstly, we have registered an interest in the Olympic Stadium site in order to keep our options open going forward given the early stages we are in with the Northumberland Development Project scheme. This is a very preliminary stage and a Pre Qualification Questionnaire was completed jointly with AEG in order to meet the deadline for registration; Secondly, we continue to progress the application for the Northumberland Development Project with Haringey Council and will continue to do so with a view to achieving full consent.

We have not changed our position and shall not do so without due consideration and consultation.

well they can stick the olympic stadium up their a*se cos i wont be travelling there to watch them.if levy does the dirty and ends up taking us there he will be making a big mistake.who wants to sit in there with a bloody running track right in front of you before you get to the pitch, also there will be trouble between spam and our supporters can you imagine them wanting us all over their manor. i wish they would stop keep bringing it up cos it really p*sses me off keep linking us with that dump. build our own and stay put

hope your right cos im getting seriously worried now that there gonna try and get it to save 100 milion in the bank by not building our own

I used to pass the building project at least once a week at stratford by train, and the area does look a dump.

I would prefer the club to stay where its roots began , and thats north london.

I am a little torn here because looking at the debt the a*se are in, could it possibly happen to us ? moving to the emirates has cost them a few things along the way in my opinion because wenger has been restricted in the transfer market.

I wouldnt want the same to happen to us, but i wouldnt want the club based in east london !

If levy feels spurs could save millions going there then i suppose its down to him, and i would still support spurs wherever they are based.......doesnt mean i would like it though.

Not my article but its a good read. Its a bit on the long side but worth it.

N17 Has Never Looked So Sweet

October 6, 2010 Alan Leave a comment Go to comments
For any club, moving to a new stadium is fraught with peril. It takes time, energy, a steely determination to win over all the interested parties, money, then more time. Some clubs ruin themselves in the process. Spurs, under the cautious stewardship of Daniel Levy, have spent years laying the groundwork, then the ultimate irony. On the day planning permission is granted by the council and the new ground is closer than ever before, comes the news that we may be off to east London.Levy is known for his love of last-minute business, so here’s a window and he just couldn’t help himself. Last Thursday was deadline day for ‘expressions of interest’ in moving to the new Olympic Stadium and our name’s on the list.
Spot The Difference
Later that same evening, Haringey Council approved the revised planning application for the new ground right next to the Lane. This has been in the pipeline for several years now. The club have gradually bought up all the land in the vicinity and have overcome objections from a number of groups, including English Heritage. Now without any intended disrespect to the hardy residents of N17 0AP, there’s not a lot that could be done to make it worse, now could there? But we’re there now, admittedly with a reduced number of dwellings to be built on club land, the proceeds of which will go some way to cover the £400m cost of the project. Boris has to give his seal of approval, then we’re away.It took a few days and some predictably inflamed comments from the Porn Twins (Sullivan: “If it happens, there will be real problems that could easily lead to civil unrest. I think there could be riots”) before the full implications sunk in. Although the papers cranked up the story, most of us accepted that Spurs were just covering themselves in case of a last minute slip-up. ‘Expression of interest’ isn’t saying very much. Then, the management of our ‘partners’, American company AEG, were bullishly quoted in the press. The Guardian was unequivocal, in the headline at least: ‘Olympic Stadium Now First Choice for Tottenham.’I find a move to the Olympic Stadium hard to accept, in terms both of the evidence before us and the effect it will have on Spurs fans throughout the world. Spurs have poured years into the project, the development costs of which have been variously estimated at between £30m to £50m already. It finally has the backing of the Council. Finance is being put in place. The costs are not out of the question given turnover and demand. 56k+ is a lot of cash at Spurs’ CL prices. It will be hard to turn back now.However, for the fans, this is about the heart not the head. The plans are a remarkable achievement, provided that we really have the money, but let’s leave that one for now. I desperately envied the Arsenal, not for their sterile ultra-modern stadium but for the fact that they built it so close to where they belong (OK OK insert your own gag here, you know what I mean). These things are important to fans and we have that in common with them. With space in London being at such a premium, it was a feat that surely could not be repeated by any other top club in the capital but I underestimated Levy, not for the first time.Moreover, it’s a proper football ground. The club have apparently responded to fans’ feedback with stands close to the pitch and steeply tiered so there are good viewing angles all round and no one is too far away. The roof will hold in the atmosphere plus there is an ‘end’ to focus the support. Recently I’ve heard several pundits compliment White Hart Lane on the atmosphere. The numbers may be low but, enclosed and intimate, we can make some noise and it will echo and inspire, just like the old days. This won’t change.Contrast this with the wide open spaces of the Olympic Stadium. We can wave to the players over the running track. I love athletics but not even Chirpy kills a football atmosphere more than those 8 lanes.The problem is, this counts for little when it comes to planning. We the fans probably have a greater attachment to this most deprived of areas than many of the residents, but we don’t vote. That’s what counts for councillors already thinking of the next elections. Granted we bring much needed income to the place on matchdays but much of that ends up outside the borough. The cleaning and catering staff, the stallholder, the foodsellers all take their cash away.Talking of cash, east London could save up to £200m, a not inconsiderable figure, especially on the day Liverpool are trying to implode.
Is It Better Like This? Or Like This?
Also, getting away from the Lane is bad enough as it is, but with another 18,000 I’m thinking that a helicopter is the only way to go. Anyone who has tried to escape from the Emirates will know what I mean, and they have 3 tube stations within 5 minutes walk. Tempted by the purpose-built stations, the wide plazas and relaxed setting of the Olympic park?Me neither. The answer is ‘no’ and Levy needs to hear that loud and clear. If one good thing has emerged from this, it’s that I’ve realised how attached I am already to the new ground. It’s out of the question. Totally. Good news WHammers, it’s all yours. Get up a petition in support of your application and bring it to the Lane next home match. With all the signatures you’ll run out of paper. We’ll welcome you with open arms, cuddle and lace daisies in each other’s hair.I suspect Levy thinks the same. He’s covered his bets, as a responsible chairman should, and at the same time nudged both Haringey and Boris in the right direction. I can’t vouch for the exact sequence, but I’m sure Haringey Council knew about our Olympic interest when the time came to take the decision. There’s some hard negotiating still to be done, especially regarding the redevelopment of Tottenham Hale station, but Levy’s not bad at the negotiating lark, as we’ve seen before.Not least, West Ham’s bid is probably better. They have the local connections, although large sections of their support are not keen, and theirs is a joint bid with Newham Council. This will play very well with decision-takers tied into some concept of leaving something behind for the community once those two weeks in 2012 are over.I drive past the Olympic Park on my way to and from the Lane. It’s odd to think that the eyes of the world will marvel at the design – it will look fabulous – yet all I see are the crabby dilapidated buildings adjoining the A102. Even odder, however, to conjure up a vision of this as the New Lane.It won’t happen. AEG for reasons of their own image have gone overboard and this afternoon the club have issued a downbeat statement on the official site. http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/stadium-plans-update-061010.html Levy comes over as a cautious, taciturn figure but the new ground, our new ground, is his legacy. He’ll do the math but he’ll feel it in his heart too. He won’t turn away from that.There’s a good business take on this by Martin Cloake, author of several Spurs books: http://www.dailyfinance.co.uk/2010/10/01/spurs-400m-stadium-plans-boosted/

Graham Roberts thoughts on the subject . . . . . . . .

Tottenham legend Graham Roberts has rubbished suggestions the club could move to the Olympic Stadium and says they must stay in north London.
Reports claim Spurs are ready to rival West Ham for the right to play in the newly-built stadium in Stratford following the London Olympics in two years' time.
But while Roberts can understand the business reasons behind that plan, he insists it would be the wrong move for his old club.
He told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast: "It would be a ridiculous move. I was talking to some fans last night and they’re really unhappy about this. Tottenham are a north London club, not an east London one.
"I think it’s a serious proposal because Tottenham want a bigger stadium. But they can’t move from Tottenham. They have to stay in north London, for the supporters’ sake as much as anything. And I think they will stay in Tottenham and get permission to build a bigger stadium there.
"It's like Arsenal. They are making profits every year and all they need now is to pay off the debts for building the ground and that’s the position Tottenham want to get in.

Tottenham are not in debt. They own a lot of properties around the ground and want to build a fantastic stadium there. And I can’t believes the council want allow that.
"You’ve got to get over the problems with the access. We’ve had that for years at Tottenham. Everybody moans about sitting in traffic after the game but they will deal with that."
And Roberts fears any move to Stratford would lead to widespread problems between supporters of Spurs and West Ham.
"There will be problems," he added. "The fans won’t like it and every other week there will be probably be trouble.
"West Ham are an east London club, Tottenham are a north London club and we want to stay there. And hopefully they can get it sorted out."

Think that sums it up really vis ! its how we all feel.

That sums it up pretty well. rep.

Cheers Max.

Is this the reason Levy is thinking of re-locating?

Tottenham’s £400 million stadium moves a step closer


Thursday, 7 October, 2010
20:26 PM AN ICONIC new football stadium for Tottenham Hotspur has moved a step closer as the club got the green light to transform White Hart Lane and the surrounding area Spurs’ bid to build a state-of-the-art 56,000-seater stadium on the site of its current home ground was unanimously agreed by Haringey Council’s planning committee last Thursday, ushering in an exciting new era for the club.The stadium will sit at the heart of a £400million redevelopment, breathing new life into run-down Northumberland Park.The scheme includes a huge new 24-hour supermarket, two public squares, a 150-bed hotel, 200 flats, shops, restaurants, a “sky bar”, and a walkway surrounding the stadium and framing a heritage square.Daniel Levy, Tottenham Hotspur chairman, said: “Clearly we are delighted with this unanimous decision and are grateful to all those who expressed such clear support for the plans.“I would stress that there is still much work to be done. We shall continue to work with Haringey Council and the application will now be considered by the Mayor of London and referred to the Secretary of State.”Spurs have spent five years and millions of pounds developing the plans, and have previously said the team was committed to staying in Tottenham and playing at its current 36,000-seater ground while the new stadium is built.But Mayor of London Boris Johnson could yet seize control and block the project in a row over £1million.Spurs and Transport for London (TfL), chaired by Mr Johnson, are still wrangling over how much the team should pay towards upgrade works at Tottenham Hale station – with TfL demanding £3million but Spurs offering £2 million.TfL asked Haringey Council to divert £500,000 it is getting from Spurs for other transport improvements to help bridge the gap, but the council refused.Mr Johnson now has three options: either support Spurs’ plans, refuse them or bypass Haringey Council completely and tell Spurs to start all over again and submit its new plans directly to his office.Councillor George Meehan, Labour planning committee member and former council leader, told the club last Thursday: “I think for this amount of money [£1 million] you’re really putting a lot [in] jeopardy. I would feel very angry if we agreed this scheme tonight and the Mayor stuffed us.”An extra 20,000 fans descending on Tottenham’s ground on match days also prompted fears of transport chaos.Spurs have been asked to reduce the proportion of fans arriving by car from 40 to 24 per cent, and increase those using public transport from 50 to 70 per cent, with wide-ranging overhauls of bus and cycle routes to the stadium and extensive new controlled parking zones (CPZ) on both match and non-match days.But despite the scale of development only 43 people objected to the scheme, compared to 345 writing in support.One homeowner facing the new supermarket in Northumberland Park, which will rise from three storeys at the front to five storeys, told planners the “megastore” would loom over her home and bring constant noise, while Reverend Luke Miller, of St Mary’s Church in Lansdowne Road, Tottenham, said he feared more disruption to youth clubs already forced to cancel meetings on match days on safety grounds.But business leaders and Haringey Sports Development Trust praised the club’s community contribution and the potential of the stadium to bring jobs and regeneration to north Tottenham.Police also backed the stadium plans, which were welcomed by politicians across the board.Councillor Claire Kober, Labour leader of Haringey Council, said: “The Spurs development has the potential to make a huge impact, not just on the success of the football club, but also on the whole of Tottenham – delivering job opportunities, regenerating the area, and boosting the local economy. “We’re proud of Spurs’ rich history in Haringey and excited that the club has committed its future to the area.”Councillor Gail Engert, Liberal Democrat communities spokeswoman, said: “For years, Spurs has been an integral part of the borough and I hope that today marks the opening of another chapter which will see both Tottenham and the football club growing together.”Spurs said this week: “We are aware that coverage of comments made by AEG yesterday have been interpreted by the media in various ways concerning the Club’s position in respect of the Northumberland Development Project and the Olympic Stadium site.“We should like to make two things absolutely clear at this stage: firstly, we have registered an interest in the Olympic Stadium site in order to keep our options open going forward given the early stages we are in with the Northumberland Development Project scheme. “This is a very preliminary stage and a Pre Qualification Questionnaire was completed jointly with AEG in order to meet the deadline for registration. Secondly, we continue to progress the application for the Northumberland Development Project with Haringey Council and will continue to do so with a view to achieving full consent. We have not changed our position and shall not do so without due consideration and consultation.”

With regards to Jims post about making the ground ready for football, removing the running track etc see the bit copy & pasted below. Don't look like it will be allowed. What a crappy atmosphere the place will generate. This place is going to end up a white elephant and although I see the buisiness sense in at least looking at the ground the sooner Spurs distance them-selves from this the better . . . . .

Tottenham's chances of moving to the Olympic Stadium appear to have receded after legacy officials insisted a running track must remain at the venue.
Baroness Ford, chair of the Olympic Park Legacy Company (OPLC), insists that, contrary to Tottenham's plans, athletics must be accommodated.
"Bidders would have to meet the Olympic promise for use of an athletics stadium - that has not changed," she said.
West Ham have also submitted a proposal to move to the stadium after the Games.
Baroness Ford insisted the legacy company remains committed to a future for the 80,000-seater stadium that includes more than just football.

For the rest of the article follow the link . . . . . .. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/london_2012/9072017.stm

Thought I might chuck a bit of maths in to the equation here.

Our Current plans are to build around the existing stadium while still using it and have a transition which will take at least two years of disruption. As a builder I can tell you that if you complicate a build project like this then it's almost gauranteed that the cost will be a lot more than you first thought and our first thought is £400,000,000.00
I cant pretend to know the cost recovery from a hotel, 300 or so flats and a supermarket but lets say £150,000,000.00 so a final cost of £250,000,000.00 we need to borrow. Which will cost about an average of £8,000,000.00 in interest a year if it's all paid off over 10 years so a total cost of £320,000,000.00 or so. Thats £32,000,000.00 a year for 10 years to pay it off. (BEST CASE SENARIO)
If we were awarded the olympic stadium we would have to pay for it but the cost would not be anything like WHL, I am going to guess at £150,000,000.00. WE would then have to knock it down and re build what would probebly turn out to be the WHL proposed stadium with a 60,000 capacity. at a vastly reduced cost as the infastructure, planning etc. is already done. In line with Man City I would guess another £150,000,000.00 for that. so a cost of £300,000,000.00. A familiar figure./

Here's the crunch/.

WHL could then be developed for profit.

Supermarket £50,000,00.00
1,200 property's at £300,000,000.00
Hotel £50,000,000.00
Thats £400,000,000.00
So, were do we want to be?
WHL new stadium and £320,000,000.00 to find over the next 10 years
East London (yuk, Pah) Stadium paid off and bringing in mega bucks and £100,000,000.00 for team building.

Nice set of "ball-park" figures you've come up with there Sid. But you also need to factor in these other costs/profits . . . . . ..
(from THFC.com)
• A world-class scheme incorporating a new stadium with a capacity of 60,000, a Club museum, new shops, new homes, a new base for the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation and important new public space
• Delivered on the current site and adjacent land, ending concerns about a move out of the Borough
• No need for a temporary move during construction
• Significant local benefits and a huge boost to the area
• Potential catalyst for wider regeneration and further investment

The new homes & businesses will create revenue streams as will the possibility of any future development. The goners have made a substantial amount out of the building of high rise caravans on the old libary site. We will not have that sort of space but obviously some space has been allocated towards such builds. I see problems with the transport infrastructure but when I read that even the police are in favour of us staying put & redeveloping there must be a lot of positive points in the plans. Levy is no mug and will have costed out everything to the last penny and taken into consideration such things as rising labour & material costs & also fluctuating intrest rates. I hope we stay where we are but unless we polish off our crystal balls none of us knows what the future may hold . . . . .

BazSpur wrote:Not just that Vis but take into account the millions that have been spent already getting the whole thing up and running. I did see the figure for how much Levy and co have already spent laying the foundations for regenerating WHL and it is a very tidy amount running into several million. Like it or not Arsenal are starting to see a return on their newish stadium lol. I think building at WHL is an oopportunity we can't turn down. Costly? yes but I believe its a chance we must take even if it costs us more in the long run. As you so rightly say Levy and co are no mugs they would have costed all this.

£400,000,000.00 More?

i cant beleive any of you are even giving the slightest hint in favour of a move to EAST london, if it happens it is a total kick in the Bollox to ordinary supporters of the club over many years. i dont give a crap about the 100 000 000 for team rebuilding because the rebuilt team you will be watching wont be north londons historic tottenham hotspurs but a new club in the east end full of johnny come latelys there for the new glory the money may bring. the heart of this club will be ripped out and buried in the rubble of the old white hart lane underneath a bloody tescos or similar, along with mine.good luck to em.