What Now ?

ArnieArdiles wrote:
And yesterday ... Gareth Bale suffered due to a bad challenge, out on the left wing not to far from the managers dugout ....
What would be Vengers or Fergies reactions be if one of their players was taken out in similar circumstances? I tell you , they would be going apeshit on the touchline and be in the face of the fourth official .. Fergie would probs be shouting at the ref that his job is not to book Gallas for an innocuous challenge and then be turning a blind eye to a potential leg-breaker you imcompetant fcker !

Harrys reaction? Not a peep, not a fcking peep .. This guy cares so much about the England job that its going to be a wet day in hell before he's gonna say so much as boo to an official and thus damage his chances with the FA ... It all stinks...!

This Harry demeanour and aspiration for the England job is having a negative effect for THFC and Im not liking it ...

Sorry but for me this summer is the time for change....

If available managers such as these I'd hope would be on Levy's list ....

Mark Hughes
Jurgen Klinnsman
Gus Poyet
Jose Mourinho
André Villas Boas

ArnieArdiles wrote:Is it time to say thank you very much Harry but we need to go our seperate ways?


Harry has made no secret that before he retires he would love a crack at the national job and next summer we could well see Harry leading the three lions ..He's no spring chicken so even if were not to get the England job is he our long term answer ?


I looked at the long faced Levy watching the game versus Blackpool and I were left wondering if the two have different ideas , certainly when it comes to new players bought into the club ..

We all know Levy likes a young player with a sell on value but Harry is talking of highly paid experience.... Is Harry wanting these types merely because he sees his time at Spurs as short term or is lack of experienced players the reason for our poor run in the PL these past few months ?


I find myself not agreeing with Harry on this and Im looking at the manager himself ..


This is not knee jerking because tacticaly Harry has baffled me aplenty...


Today I was mortified with his substitution of Bale for Crouch , it just didnt make sense .. The first 15 minutes in that second half with Lennon on for Pav , we were having our best period of dominance ...With Bale's injury, Harry chose to revert to the two upfront with VDV in midfield alongside Sandro and with Modders going on the left so we lost our momentum ...Why no like for like , Niko for Bale ? What advantage did he see in reverting back to the two upfront which was not bearing dividends and in the process disrupt a midfield that were at last getting to grips with a resiliant Blackpool ?


A problem Ive had with many of Harrys teams are that when our possesion breaks down in our opponents third we dont win it back quickly enough so we often see an end to end game .. This of course is great entertainment for the neutral and is why I believe we've often carried the entertainers tag this season ..


Having VDV and Sandro in the two midfield places allowed Blackpool back in to it and it were only in the 89th minute that Harry decides to introduce Kranjcar!


So the question is, tacticly is he up to it?


After today I dont think he is ..I just cant get around my head that a manager with these players available, despite the poor form of our strikers should be so poor in getting results againt these teams in the lower regions time and time again.



No talk of the CL games getting in the way please and none of those 'Harold McMillan never had it so good' type speechess from Harry thank you very much ...



The manager has fallen short far to often this season in the PL whilst glorying it up in the CL and though to be fair, its been a learning curve for him too, I do feel when taking in all the considerations perhaps Levy should be looking for Harrys successor this summer rather than the next ...


We have a good young squad that the right manager can use as a base to really build somthing good here, I think we are an attractive job for some top managers
however, that good young squad that is so attractive could well look a lot worse in a years time if we lose Bale and Modric etc.. It could be now is the time to entice the right guy for the future here. This isnt about Redknapp, it`s about THFC and whats best for us may not be what is best for him.

BazSpur wrote:But Lobs and Arnie. We are always the same. We can't keep changing managers every couple of years. Where is the continuity in that. We had it with Graham, Hoddle, Jol, Ramos and now Harry ffs. Before that it was Gross and Ardiles. When Arry vacates the WHL job and the new manager comes in, if he hasn't secured the Prem or at least got us 4th spot after a year or so the same thing will be happening. You will all be calling for his head. We really can't carry on like that. So many managers and not one of them saw his contract out.

ArnieArdiles wrote:Whilst I agree with you Mickey about the squad and that it needs improving in some positions ....I feel , like Lobo that something is not right concerning the manager too and this is what Im saying needs looking at ...

You're missing it guys this is about the manager too and not just the players... Harry's Vibes are all wrong and this I believe has contributed to our lucklustre performances in the PL.





Agreed we need replacements but are we happy to bring in the players Harry wants only for him to perhaps move on in the summer of 2012? Are we happy to offer him an extended contract so it stops all this media talk about the England job , talk that will go into overdrive next season ?


Do you believe in the manager enough to say, you as chairman, would be happy to hand over, say £30 million to Harry for him to spend on whom he wants without your input ?




Im sorry but Im no longer trusting his ideas on players and his use of them and I also think his attitude stinks of, Im not to blame for anything but Im in my rights to bask in the glory when it goes well ..He's attidute is not one of a winner ... All these nagatives have found its way to our players and have I believe contributed to the poor performances this season...


e.g.s


....Harry has recently come out and said he does not want Europa qualification if he cant get Champions League ... For us on a message board to say stuff like that is one thing but the manager of players that need to be pushed on to be saying it is surely not right and could well have a detrimental effect on players ? Meanwhile , Kenny Dalglish and his new forward Suarez this week both stated Liverpool has to be in Europe, its where Liverpool FC belongs , we want to win all our remaining games ...



What about last week at Chelsea in his after match interview, he jokingly comments on the two major decisions that go against his players for the goals ... Yes, can see Fergie responding that way .... Yes, Harry , put a man on the moon but cant have goal line technology snigger snigger , smile for the camera , for the fcking twats at the FA ...



And yesterday ... Gareth Bale suffered due to a bad challenge, out on the left wing not to far from the managers dugout ....
What would be Vengers or Fergies reactions be if one of their players was taken out in similar circumstances? I tell you , they would be going apeshit on the touchline and be in the face of the fourth official .. Fergie would probs be shouting at the ref that his job is not to book Gallas for an innocuous challenge and then be turning a blind eye to a potential leg-breaker you imcompetant fcker !

Harrys reaction? Not a peep, not a fcking peep .. This guy cares so much about the England job that its going to be a wet day in hell before he's gonna say so much as boo to an official and thus damage his chances with the FA ... It all stinks...!

This Harry demeanour and aspiration for the England job is having a negative effect for THFC and Im not liking it ...

Sorry but for me this summer is the time for change....

If available managers such as these I'd hope would be on Levy's list ....

Mark Hughes
Jurgen Klinnsman
Gus Poyet
Jose Mourinho
André Villas Boas

lewspurs wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:Is it time to say thank you very much Harry but we need to go our seperate ways?


Harry has made no secret that before he retires he would love a crack at the national job and next summer we could well see Harry leading the three lions ..He's no spring chicken so even if were not to get the England job is he our long term answer ?


I looked at the long faced Levy watching the game versus Blackpool and I were left wondering if the two have different ideas , certainly when it comes to new players bought into the club ..

We all know Levy likes a young player with a sell on value but Harry is talking of highly paid experience.... Is Harry wanting these types merely because he sees his time at Spurs as short term or is lack of experienced players the reason for our poor run in the PL these past few months ?


I find myself not agreeing with Harry on this and Im looking at the manager himself ..


This is not knee jerking because tacticaly Harry has baffled me aplenty...


Today I was mortified with his substitution of Bale for Crouch , it just didnt make sense .. The first 15 minutes in that second half with Lennon on for Pav , we were having our best period of dominance ...With Bale's injury, Harry chose to revert to the two upfront with VDV in midfield alongside Sandro and with Modders going on the left so we lost our momentum ...Why no like for like , Niko for Bale ? What advantage did he see in reverting back to the two upfront which was not bearing dividends and in the process disrupt a midfield that were at last getting to grips with a resiliant Blackpool ?


A problem Ive had with many of Harrys teams are that when our possesion breaks down in our opponents third we dont win it back quickly enough so we often see an end to end game .. This of course is great entertainment for the neutral and is why I believe we've often carried the entertainers tag this season ..


Having VDV and Sandro in the two midfield places allowed Blackpool back in to it and it were only in the 89th minute that Harry decides to introduce Kranjcar!


So the question is, tacticly is he up to it?


After today I dont think he is ..I just cant get around my head that a manager with these players available, despite the poor form of our strikers should be so poor in getting results againt these teams in the lower regions time and time again.



No talk of the CL games getting in the way please and none of those 'Harold McMillan never had it so good' type speechess from Harry thank you very much ...



The manager has fallen short far to often this season in the PL whilst glorying it up in the CL and though to be fair, its been a learning curve for him too, I do feel when taking in all the considerations perhaps Levy should be looking for Harrys successor this summer rather than the next ...


We have a good young squad that the right manager can use as a base to really build somthing good here, I think we are an attractive job for some top managers
however, that good young squad that is so attractive could well look a lot worse in a years time if we lose Bale and Modric etc.. It could be now is the time to entice the right guy for the future here. This isnt about Redknapp, it`s about THFC and whats best for us may not be what is best for him.

Arnie i am disappointed..........long standing poster and joining the "not happy club" what more can harry do ? emulate ardiles ?hoddle or even jol 5th ?

Disappointed mate and i can only say if harry goes in the summer then its to the tune of the rolling stones "you cant always get what you want" very apt.....baz might put the song up from u tube ?

VisionarySound wrote:And don't forget Ancellotti may be be available! ! ! Now there is a manger who HAS done it all. Arnie it was me last week, you this week. As you rightly point out you are not given to knee-jerk responses. I don't think I am either. So why are we now questioning the judgement of a manager we have both supported ? There is a certain, hard to pin point, "something" around the whole situation at Spurs at present that is making many people, not just us, question what is best for the future . . . . .

VisionarySound wrote:Philip, do you think 'arry's famous man-management skills have become petty rather then inspired ? His treatment of players like Kranky seems a touch perplexing at best . . . . . .

LOBO wrote:What we need is not only a good manager but someone that is Tottenham, someone that comes out every press interview and says i love this club & players and the players love me, someone like Jol, i dont get that feeling with arry, Arry like it or not is " the grass is always greener " type of bloke , the cut n thrust of it is he should never have made it know he would want the england job so publically , he could have done that in private, to me it signals his desire to leave spurs for England, not only that he has a lot of support from all quaters, the chances are he will be a consideration, but and i say this... his court case could ruin that