Match Thread Vs Manchester Citeh

djfitzo wrote:pre-conceptions Lew, why did you not want AVB in the first place?

djfitzo wrote:

Maximus wrote:Thats the thing, we should not of replaced Arry, for all his faults he had us playing good football, Avb and one up front does not suit us, 4-4-2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes because he mainly had his best eleven on the field, did he ever as a manager win at Old Trafford? Funny that with Dembele on the pitch we did under AVB, funny what you can do with your best players available.

BazSpur wrote:Didn't think he brought that many players in Lew. He inherited a decent team from Ramos. Parker, Crouch, Defoe and Palacious came in with Redknapp from what I can remember. Modric was already there as was Bale and Lennon and others. Can't count VDV as he was a Levy signing.

ArnieArdiles wrote:

djfitzo wrote:

Maximus wrote:Thats the thing, we should not of replaced Arry, for all his faults he had us playing good football, Avb and one up front does not suit us, 4-4-2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes because he mainly had his best eleven on the field, did he ever as a manager win at Old Trafford? Funny that with Dembele on the pitch we did under AVB, funny what you can do with your best players available.

DJ re: the underlined & highlighted, I think to many of us are not taking this on board .
I repeat again . Away to Man City with no Benny , Kaboul, Dembele, Parker and a manager let down by his new employer at the start of the season for not replacing VDV and Modric with the new manager's two transfer targets, Willian and Mouthino.

We have nothing in terms of fluidity in the middle of the park and our opponent knows this so concentrates on our wide players. I love Sandro, but his game for me should be limited to the Claude Makelele role. Huddlestone is back from injury and neither players skills compliment the others.

Harry would not have got a result at the Eithad yesterday with the squad as it is . We couldn't do that last season with both Parker & Modric in the team.

We're not playing well with the ball that has to be said but this nonsense that we were a brilliant passing team under Harry is in fact that , nonsense, a myth. We had some players that could retain possession , granted, but whenever we came up against the bigger teams ie. like Man City, we spent most of the 90 minutes chasing shadows just as we did yesterday.

The Harry Myth wont go away this season for sure.

ArnieArdiles wrote:

djfitzo wrote:

Maximus wrote:Thats the thing, we should not of replaced Arry, for all his faults he had us playing good football, Avb and one up front does not suit us, 4-4-2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes because he mainly had his best eleven on the field, did he ever as a manager win at Old Trafford? Funny that with Dembele on the pitch we did under AVB, funny what you can do with your best players available.

DJ re: the underlined & highlighted, I think to many of us are not taking this on board .
I repeat again . Away to Man City with no Benny , Kaboul, Dembele, Parker and a manager let down by his new employer at the start of the season for not replacing VDV and Modric with the new manager's two transfer targets, Willian and Mouthino.

We have nothing in terms of fluidity in the middle of the park and our opponent knows this so concentrates on our wide players. I love Sandro, but his game for me should be limited to the Claude Makelele role. Huddlestone is back from injury and neither players skills compliment the others.

Harry would not have got a result at the Eithad yesterday with the squad as it is . We couldn't do that last season with both Parker & Modric in the team.

We're not playing well with the ball that has to be said but this nonsense that we were a brilliant passing team under Harry is in fact that , nonsense, a myth. We had some players that could retain possession , granted, but whenever we came up against the bigger teams ie. like Man City, we spent most of the 90 minutes chasing shadows just as we did yesterday.

The Harry Myth wont go away this season for sure.

Mr Plums. wrote:

BazSpur wrote:Didn't think he brought that many players in Lew. He inherited a decent team from Ramos. Parker, Crouch, Defoe and Palacious came in with Redknapp from what I can remember. Modric was already there as was Bale and Lennon and others. Can't count VDV as he was a Levy signing.

Thats right baz, i digressed a little, but i see that as a plus, he got them playing and putting in good performances,something ramos couldnt do, and then tweaked the team with a few signings of his own.
But no way i am saying sack avb, or bring back harry.
Had harry still been the manager the results might be worse ! who knows.?

I agree Lew. Arry did get us playing but to be fair he coudn't fail as he could speak English to begin with. He got us out of the relegation places and pushed us up the table to finish 10th and I think we were all relieved and grateful to him for that. Then he got us 4th much to my surprise and after that it all seemed to go down hill for the reasons that have been mentioned on here many times.

BazSpur wrote:

Mr Plums. wrote:

BazSpur wrote:Didn't think he brought that many players in Lew. He inherited a decent team from Ramos. Parker, Crouch, Defoe and Palacious came in with Redknapp from what I can remember. Modric was already there as was Bale and Lennon and others. Can't count VDV as he was a Levy signing.

Thats right baz, i digressed a little, but i see that as a plus, he got them playing and putting in good performances,something ramos couldnt do, and then tweaked the team with a few signings of his own.
But no way i am saying sack avb, or bring back harry.
Had harry still been the manager the results might be worse ! who knows.?

I agree Lew. Arry did get us playing but to be fair he coudn't fail as he could speak English to begin with. He got us out of the relegation places and pushed us up the table to finish 10th and I think we were all relieved and grateful to him for that. Then he got us 4th much to my surprise and after that it all seemed to go down hill for the reasons that have been mentioned on here many times.

Loughtonlegend wrote:lew i think a lot of the problems are down to levy.
but surley you can understand levy getting rid of harry.

levy supported harry during the court case then after he gets cleared how does harry repay him.
says he would love to manager another club even though he had a club to manager.
its no differnt from modric sayin he wanted to go to chelsea.

harry got what he deserved.
i also dont belive in all that hype we played great football all the time last season.
we played well at home but away we played 451.

djfitzo wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:

djfitzo wrote:

Maximus wrote:Thats the thing, we should not of replaced Arry, for all his faults he had us playing good football, Avb and one up front does not suit us, 4-4-2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes because he mainly had his best eleven on the field, did he ever as a manager win at Old Trafford? Funny that with Dembele on the pitch we did under AVB, funny what you can do with your best players available.

DJ re: the underlined & highlighted, I think to many of us are not taking this on board .
I repeat again . Away to Man City with no Benny , Kaboul, Dembele, Parker and a manager let down by his new employer at the start of the season for not replacing VDV and Modric with the new manager's two transfer targets, Willian and Mouthino.

We have nothing in terms of fluidity in the middle of the park and our opponent knows this so concentrates on our wide players. I love Sandro, but his game for me should be limited to the Claude Makelele role. Huddlestone is back from injury and neither players skills compliment the others.

Harry would not have got a result at the Eithad yesterday with the squad as it is . We couldn't do that last season with both Parker & Modric in the team.

We're not playing well with the ball that has to be said but this nonsense that we were a brilliant passing team under Harry is in fact that , nonsense, a myth. We had some players that could retain possession , granted, but whenever we came up against the bigger teams ie. like Man City, we spent most of the 90 minutes chasing shadows just as we did yesterday.

The Harry Myth wont go away this season for sure.

Arnie, just to have Dembele back would be massive, he controlled the midfield against Manure in the first half and as Hudd does not venture past the centre circle unless he is taking corners, would have been a major factor in closing down Silva on Sunday, cos lets face it, he controlled everything good they did, the other carthorses that clogged Lennon and Ade would have struggled without Silva to take hold of the game.

Mr Plums. wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:

djfitzo wrote:

Maximus wrote:Thats the thing, we should not of replaced Arry, for all his faults he had us playing good football, Avb and one up front does not suit us, 4-4-2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes because he mainly had his best eleven on the field, did he ever as a manager win at Old Trafford? Funny that with Dembele on the pitch we did under AVB, funny what you can do with your best players available.

DJ re: the underlined & highlighted, I think to many of us are not taking this on board .
I repeat again . Away to Man City with no Benny , Kaboul, Dembele, Parker and a manager let down by his new employer at the start of the season for not replacing VDV and Modric with the new manager's two transfer targets, Willian and Mouthino.

We have nothing in terms of fluidity in the middle of the park and our opponent knows this so concentrates on our wide players. I love Sandro, but his game for me should be limited to the Claude Makelele role. Huddlestone is back from injury and neither players skills compliment the others.

Harry would not have got a result at the Eithad yesterday with the squad as it is . We couldn't do that last season with both Parker & Modric in the team.

We're not playing well with the ball that has to be said but this nonsense that we were a brilliant passing team under Harry is in fact that , nonsense, a myth. We had some players that could retain possession , granted, but whenever we came up against the bigger teams ie. like Man City, we spent most of the 90 minutes chasing shadows just as we did yesterday.

The Harry Myth wont go away this season for sure.

Hi Arnie ! what you are saying makes a lot of sense, but like most on here you are falling back on the old chestnut of what if, and wait till certain players come back.
Saying harry wouldnt have won is neither here nor there because we will never know.
My main point is that the club needed continuity, with a proven man, and we had that for 3 years, something that gave us spurs fans a great champions league campaign, that i bet most of you blokes long for again, as i do.
The spectre of harry will last more than one season, but some of us on here only saw the negative side of his management.
You will remember that bill nic was a very strict manager, we didnt hear in those days negative comments about the way he went about things, but now its all highlighted and we are all influenced by what we hear.
Its ok looking on new dawns and starting again, but it was fine as it was.
I can forgive an old man trying to realise his final ambition of the supposed ultimate job (managing england) and being deflected for a few weeks from doing the job of the club i love....... but i guess some cant.

Hi Lew ! lol

I do understand your main point I really do , I've had my cousin & mate ear bashing me with exactly the same POV as yours since Harry's sacking. But as I say to them , I'll say to you too ....

Harry's gone , I repeat Harry's gone . You got a problem with that then tell it to Daniel Levy and the THFC board.

We've heard it .

How many times must it be said that the Harry and Levy working relationship came to an end because the boss felt the employee was mugging him off ?

If every time there's a set-back in a result we're to be reminded of the opinion that we shouldn't have got rid of Harry, then it all becomes a little tedious don't you think ? Therefore, I'm not even going to respond to your belief that Harry got sacked because his eye was off the ball for a couple of months and for a couple of comments said in the press or on Sky.

Now all this not being happy with the football we're seeing at the moment, fine, I'm only to happy to debate about where we could be doing better etc etc.

You say your not to bothered anymore , like the events of the summer at our club has knocked the stuffing out of you and I hear you, but it's Arsenal away next so I'd like to also see some pre-match suggestions on how to win the game and not just this usual post match appearance when things have gone wrong.

How about on all the match threads from here on in , anyone who wants to make post match comments, should also have selected his first eleven before the kick-off. We can even take it further and throw in our substitutions and formations But just remember, there's no Modric he's currently getting splinters on his a*se in Spain's capital . We've not got a VDV and Dembele is out injured . Dempsey and Siggys form has been their worst in their careers and maybe AVB should justly be criticised for this, why is it these two players could do so well under their previous managers and not with us ?


So Wheres Vis with the Goon match thread? I look forward to yours and Max's views on how to win the game or at least get anyting out of it .

ArnieArdiles wrote:

Mr Plums. wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:

djfitzo wrote:

Maximus wrote:Thats the thing, we should not of replaced Arry, for all his faults he had us playing good football, Avb and one up front does not suit us, 4-4-2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes because he mainly had his best eleven on the field, did he ever as a manager win at Old Trafford? Funny that with Dembele on the pitch we did under AVB, funny what you can do with your best players available.

DJ re: the underlined & highlighted, I think to many of us are not taking this on board .
I repeat again . Away to Man City with no Benny , Kaboul, Dembele, Parker and a manager let down by his new employer at the start of the season for not replacing VDV and Modric with the new manager's two transfer targets, Willian and Mouthino.

We have nothing in terms of fluidity in the middle of the park and our opponent knows this so concentrates on our wide players. I love Sandro, but his game for me should be limited to the Claude Makelele role. Huddlestone is back from injury and neither players skills compliment the others.

Harry would not have got a result at the Eithad yesterday with the squad as it is . We couldn't do that last season with both Parker & Modric in the team.

We're not playing well with the ball that has to be said but this nonsense that we were a brilliant passing team under Harry is in fact that , nonsense, a myth. We had some players that could retain possession , granted, but whenever we came up against the bigger teams ie. like Man City, we spent most of the 90 minutes chasing shadows just as we did yesterday.

The Harry Myth wont go away this season for sure.

Hi Arnie ! what you are saying makes a lot of sense, but like most on here you are falling back on the old chestnut of what if, and wait till certain players come back.
Saying harry wouldnt have won is neither here nor there because we will never know.
My main point is that the club needed continuity, with a proven man, and we had that for 3 years, something that gave us spurs fans a great champions league campaign, that i bet most of you blokes long for again, as i do.
The spectre of harry will last more than one season, but some of us on here only saw the negative side of his management.
You will remember that bill nic was a very strict manager, we didnt hear in those days negative comments about the way he went about things, but now its all highlighted and we are all influenced by what we hear.
Its ok looking on new dawns and starting again, but it was fine as it was.
I can forgive an old man trying to realise his final ambition of the supposed ultimate job (managing england) and being deflected for a few weeks from doing the job of the club i love....... but i guess some cant.

Hi Lew ! lol

I do understand your main point I really do , I've had my cousin & mate ear bashing me with exactly the same POV as yours since Harry's sacking. But as I say to them , I'll say to you too ....

Harry's gone , I repeat Harry's gone . You got a problem with that then tell it to Daniel Levy and the THFC board.

We've heard it .

How many times must it be said that the Harry and Levy working relationship came to an end because the boss felt the employee was mugging him off ?

If every time there's a set-back in a result we're to be reminded of the opinion that we shouldn't have got rid of Harry, then it all becomes a little tedious don't you think ? Therefore, I'm not even going to respond to your belief that Harry got sacked because his eye was off the ball for a couple of months and for a couple of comments said in the press or on Sky.

Now all this not being happy with the football we're seeing at the moment, fine, I'm only to happy to debate about where we could be doing better etc etc.

You say your not to bothered anymore , like the events of the summer at our club has knocked the stuffing out of you and I hear you, but it's Arsenal away next so I'd like to also see some pre-match suggestions on how to win the game and not just this usual post match appearance when things have gone wrong.

How about on all the match threads from here on in , anyone who wants to make post match comments, should also have selected his first eleven before the kick-off. We can even take it further and throw in our substitutions and formations But just remember, there's no Modric he's currently getting splinters on his a*se in Spain's capital . We've not got a VDV and Dembele is out injured . Dempsey and Siggys form has been their worst in their careers and maybe AVB should justly be criticised for this, why is it these two players could do so well under their previous managers and not with us ?


So Wheres Vis with the Goon match thread? I look forward to yours and Max's views on how to win the game or at least get anyting out of it .

Mr Plums. wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:

Mr Plums. wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:

djfitzo wrote:

Maximus wrote:Thats the thing, we should not of replaced Arry, for all his faults he had us playing good football, Avb and one up front does not suit us, 4-4-2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes because he mainly had his best eleven on the field, did he ever as a manager win at Old Trafford? Funny that with Dembele on the pitch we did under AVB, funny what you can do with your best players available.

DJ re: the underlined & highlighted, I think to many of us are not taking this on board .
I repeat again . Away to Man City with no Benny , Kaboul, Dembele, Parker and a manager let down by his new employer at the start of the season for not replacing VDV and Modric with the new manager's two transfer targets, Willian and Mouthino.

We have nothing in terms of fluidity in the middle of the park and our opponent knows this so concentrates on our wide players. I love Sandro, but his game for me should be limited to the Claude Makelele role. Huddlestone is back from injury and neither players skills compliment the others.

Harry would not have got a result at the Eithad yesterday with the squad as it is . We couldn't do that last season with both Parker & Modric in the team.

We're not playing well with the ball that has to be said but this nonsense that we were a brilliant passing team under Harry is in fact that , nonsense, a myth. We had some players that could retain possession , granted, but whenever we came up against the bigger teams ie. like Man City, we spent most of the 90 minutes chasing shadows just as we did yesterday.

The Harry Myth wont go away this season for sure.

Hi Arnie ! what you are saying makes a lot of sense, but like most on here you are falling back on the old chestnut of what if, and wait till certain players come back.
Saying harry wouldnt have won is neither here nor there because we will never know.
My main point is that the club needed continuity, with a proven man, and we had that for 3 years, something that gave us spurs fans a great champions league campaign, that i bet most of you blokes long for again, as i do.
The spectre of harry will last more than one season, but some of us on here only saw the negative side of his management.
You will remember that bill nic was a very strict manager, we didnt hear in those days negative comments about the way he went about things, but now its all highlighted and we are all influenced by what we hear.
Its ok looking on new dawns and starting again, but it was fine as it was.
I can forgive an old man trying to realise his final ambition of the supposed ultimate job (managing england) and being deflected for a few weeks from doing the job of the club i love....... but i guess some cant.

Hi Lew ! lol

I do understand your main point I really do , I've had my cousin & mate ear bashing me with exactly the same POV as yours since Harry's sacking. But as I say to them , I'll say to you too ....

Harry's gone , I repeat Harry's gone . You got a problem with that then tell it to Daniel Levy and the THFC board.

We've heard it .

How many times must it be said that the Harry and Levy working relationship came to an end because the boss felt the employee was mugging him off ?

If every time there's a set-back in a result we're to be reminded of the opinion that we shouldn't have got rid of Harry, then it all becomes a little tedious don't you think ? Therefore, I'm not even going to respond to your belief that Harry got sacked because his eye was off the ball for a couple of months and for a couple of comments said in the press or on Sky.

Now all this not being happy with the football we're seeing at the moment, fine, I'm only to happy to debate about where we could be doing better etc etc.

You say your not to bothered anymore , like the events of the summer at our club has knocked the stuffing out of you and I hear you, but it's Arsenal away next so I'd like to also see some pre-match suggestions on how to win the game and not just this usual post match appearance when things have gone wrong.

How about on all the match threads from here on in , anyone who wants to make post match comments, should also have selected his first eleven before the kick-off. We can even take it further and throw in our substitutions and formations But just remember, there's no Modric he's currently getting splinters on his a*se in Spain's capital . We've not got a VDV and Dembele is out injured . Dempsey and Siggys form has been their worst in their careers and maybe AVB should justly be criticised for this, why is it these two players could do so well under their previous managers and not with us ?


So Wheres Vis with the Goon match thread? I look forward to yours and Max's views on how to win the game or at least get anyting out of it .

Perhaps avb is the man you need to put forward a view on how we should beat arsenal arnie..! at the moment he seems pretty well clueless, but he will probably give it a shot to give all you guys hope !
Its not the fact that harry was sacked arnie that pees me off, its the justification of it on here, and the acceptance of the decision of levy who is proving to be a slippery cnut.
I read on here that avb didnt get the signings he wanted, and then read that levy backtracks on deals with foreign clubs, an agreed price is knocked down by levy as the deal gets to closure, read the reports arnie and see what type of bloke we have as chairman of spurs.
Yeah its fine to say, live with what has happened and move on, doesnt make it right arnie, doesnt mean me or anyone else has to lie down and accept levys twisted decisions, because he was personally unhappy with harrys new contract demands.
As i said, and i copy marks statement that we just go round in circles on here, i see your point and you see mine, but more importantly ! would you guys prefer it the way it was, or as it is now.?
I will give my views on the team vs arsenal, etc, but are you truly happy and expecting results to change under this bloke arnie, lets have a true opinion ! sure we cant have things back a year to the way they were, but lets hear the truth.

Personally Lew, I wouldn't trust Levy as far as I could throw him. He's handling of the Jol sacking irked me and it were his desire to move us to Newham of all places which made me think he's not really for our club as many would think . I suppose he's better than Alan Sugar

I'd rather Harry got on with Levy and, Harry was a little better tactically aware. Remember our corners and free-kicks? Did we ever practice them under Harry?

I suppose when you ask two slippery cnuts (lol like it)to work together, you know deep down sooner or later it will end in a parting of the ways.

Loughtonlegend wrote:yep the harry telling players to run about a bit lol

i didnt mind sugar and he is now a proper spurs fan he goes to games and loves it when the goons lose.

as bad as levy is hes still better then irving scolar stealing from our club.
and we all heard the terry vennebles rumores going round back then