Re-implosion !

Loughtonlegend wrote:but our other players or just as good
galas bassong krankar pav keane bentley jenas would get in most teams . harry playing players out of postion hes ruined bassong confidence even after with him and daws last season going on a 6game without conceding. yet king plays and we stil concede

lewspurs wrote:
3)Is VDV affecting the goal scorers ? Some have mentioned that maybe vdv is affecting the goal scorers, thats a debatable subject and hats off to the bloke that thought of it ! its a hard one because i would rather the bloke in the side than not in the side, perhaps he should be played as a striker ? rather than be given a free roving role? he certainly scores enough and maybe a pairing of vdv and defoe (when fit ) would bring about benefits ? i dont know and once again its open for debate.........i will leave that to you guys with all the football wisdom !

ArnieArdiles wrote:5 ) Are our tactics easily countered by our premeirship opponents ?

ArnieArdiles wrote:5 ) Are our tactics easily countered by our premeirship opponents ?

lewspurs wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:5 ) Are our tactics easily countered by our premeirship opponents ?

No more so than other teams tactics arnie...is the answer.

Oh lol Lew ..........Theres me thinking we beat Everton last season this time we drew. Last season we beat Sunderland, this time again we drew and then theres the earth shaker , last season we beat Wigan 9-1 , this season they beat us 1-0 !

So you dont think we're predictable in our play and Harry often changes things during the course of a game like he did the other night against Sunderland ?

lewspurs wrote:

Loughtonlegend wrote:but our other players or just as good
galas bassong krankar pav keane bentley jenas would get in most teams . harry playing players out of postion hes ruined bassong confidence even after with him and daws last season going on a 6game without conceding. yet king plays and we stil concede

Yeah they are just as good, thats why harry often plays keane,bentley, jenas and krancjar on a regular basis

SuneJim wrote:

lewspurs wrote:

Loughtonlegend wrote:but our other players or just as good
galas bassong krankar pav keane bentley jenas would get in most teams . harry playing players out of postion hes ruined bassong confidence even after with him and daws last season going on a 6game without conceding. yet king plays and we stil concede

Yeah they are just as good, thats why harry often plays keane,bentley, jenas and krancjar on a regular basis

Shouldn't laugh at him Lew he's making a valid point. Harry just isn't utilising the talent he has in his squad playing the same players over & over again. He has to learn soon. We don't actually know what is going behind the scenes, but it doesn't make sence to me that the players Lought mentioned aren't getting a run out.

Loughtonlegend wrote:but our other players or just as good
galas bassong krankar pav keane bentley jenas would get in most teams . harry playing players out of postion hes ruined bassong confidence even after with him and daws last season going on a 6game without conceding. yet king plays and we stil concede

philip wrote:

lewspurs wrote:
3)Is VDV affecting the goal scorers ? Some have mentioned that maybe vdv is affecting the goal scorers, thats a debatable subject and hats off to the bloke that thought of it ! its a hard one because i would rather the bloke in the side than not in the side, perhaps he should be played as a striker ? rather than be given a free roving role? he certainly scores enough and maybe a pairing of vdv and defoe (when fit ) would bring about benefits ? i dont know and once again its open for debate.........i will leave that to you guys with all the football wisdom !

Lew great post especially I like the idea of VDV pairing with defoe as a strike partner

Loughtonlegend wrote:lew maybe if he did play them players we wouldnt be in such an awfull postion in the league.

and if memory serves me right last season towards the end when we went on that run bentley and kranker was gettin games. also i rekon robbie keanes scored more goals then crouch lo

the same players that keep playing in the prem dont seem to be motivated so why dont harry play the other players in there right positon.
kranker on the left jenas in the middle instead of wp who seems to have lost it for nearly half a season now

ArnieArdiles wrote:

lewspurs wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:5 ) Are our tactics easily countered by our premeirship opponents ?

No more so than other teams tactics arnie...is the answer.

Oh lol Lew ..........Theres me thinking we beat Everton last season this time we drew. Last season we beat Sunderland, this time again we drew and then theres the earth shaker , last season we beat Wigan 9-1 , this season they beat us 1-0 !

So you dont think we're predictable in our play and Harry often changes things during the course of a game like he did the other night against Sunderland ?

LOL ! we could go through every season arnie and see those differing results, its called football ! didnt we lose the previous season at home to wolves, didnt we draw with villa ? lol and this season we beat them.

If you go on that premise then you have to take into account results under jol and those before him and say they were predictable managers also ! and harrys caught their predictability in the way their teams play.

You cant predict any team beating any team in the prem arnie and thats why the bookies are in business.

You can knock harry all you want ! he will come good and thats when i dont want to hear what a great bloke he is from those knocking him now, yeah he gets substitutions wrong and you wonder what is going round in his head, but where were we before he became manager, and where are we now ? yes unless i am very much mistaken contesting the greatest club comp in europe...........strange that for a bloke who is so predictable with his teams.

SuneJim wrote:Arnie our tactics if we can call them that,,,,,,,,, are easily countered by any team that has a CB pairing that are good in the air. That's all we do knock the ball forward to Crouch.

Last season it was an option we used well & made the most out of it when we used it. But this season it's all we use.

We've become completely predictable & i'm seeing with each passing game our free flowing football we're associated with becoming extinct & us becoming a long ball team & it's scaring the hell out of me.

lewspurs wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:

lewspurs wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:5 ) Are our tactics easily countered by our premeirship opponents ?

No more so than other teams tactics arnie...is the answer.

Oh lol Lew ..........Theres me thinking we beat Everton last season this time we drew. Last season we beat Sunderland, this time again we drew and then theres the earth shaker , last season we beat Wigan 9-1 , this season they beat us 1-0 !

So you dont think we're predictable in our play and Harry often changes things during the course of a game like he did the other night against Sunderland ?

LOL ! we could go through every season arnie and see those differing results, its called football ! didnt we lose the previous season at home to wolves, didnt we draw with villa ? lol and this season we beat them.

If you go on that premise then you have to take into account results under jol and those before him and say they were predictable managers also ! and harrys caught their predictability in the way their teams play.

You cant predict any team beating any team in the prem arnie and thats why the bookies are in business.

You can knock harry all you want ! he will come good and thats when i dont want to hear what a great bloke he is from those knocking him now, yeah he gets substitutions wrong and you wonder what is going round in his head, but where were we before he became manager, and where are we now ? yes unless i am very much mistaken contesting the greatest club comp in europe...........strange that for a bloke who is so predictable with his teams.

Lew ...you put forward four factors in your explanation for our poor showing in the League and I dont dispute them as not paritialy contributing factors.. I added our predictable tactics as a 5th reason, beacuse I believe it to also be a factor ..Our attacks at time are to often , get it to the wings and then sling it in , usualy to the far post for Crouch ...

There seems to be to be the norm with many of Spurs fans when voicing concerns .. Critcism of individual players, often young players is fine ... Criticism of the squad that its simply not good enough, that's okay too .... We throw in attitude of the players , that their heart is really on the Champions League and they cant be bothered with the League , that's all okay ....Its all there in your opening post , all that's missing is tactics !......

The attacking tactics of the manager are not a factor everything is rosy there ? Dare we not think the attacking tactics are costing us points? Is tactics not an issue for you and anyone dare mention them is against the good of Spurs?

After 12 games last season we had scored 23 goals and conceded 17
After 12 games this season we have scored 14 goals and conceded 15 ..
If we want to put our lack of goals all down injuries to our forwards thats fine but for me, when a team is injury hit it adapts .



I see you've now mentioned Harry in the last paragraph of your, it's nothing to do with tactics dismisive post, where you mention his substitutions against Sunderland or rather lack of them....


Tell me honestly and Im not trying to pin you down on this one ... Can you see any of the other premeirship managers who have hopes of finishing in the top four, not making use of the remaining two substitutions to try to win the Sunderland game ?

If not changing the shape wasnt an option, couldnt Harry at least have offered Kranjcar the chance in the VDV role who in the last 20 minutes was clearly flagging? Howabout taking off BAE and shift Bale into left back with Kranjcar on the left so Bale could maybe conjour up a new threat with Niko?

Bentley accodring to some at the Lane was clearly running on empty in the last half hour and his lack of fitness was clearly evident by his poor touch on the ball, add to that , his free-kicks and shots were more of a threat to the jumbotron rather than the Sunderland goal!..Added again to all that , in those last 20 minutes the boo boys started to get on his back so couldnt Jenas have been the fresh legs out on the right side ?

Then there was Modric who we're told after the game has a tennis ball size swelling on his knee and some Cattermole stud marks below as added decoration ...He drifted out the game after that tackle and Im sure there wouldve been many mangagers that wouldve hauled him off if only for some icepack treatment ?

I want Harry to succeed off course I do, like we all do so dont lay on us that nonsense when the team turns the corner we will all be a little embarresed to have questioned him when the results were a struggle ...

I just feel you're wrong as is any Spurs fan to highlight the reasons for our average showing in the League thus far without mentioning the tactics and the role of the manager in them and that's the only reason why I added a 5th factor ....