Post here for your views on the riots.

BazSpur wrote:As for Australia, when did Oz become the
debating point? The discussion is about England because you started a
thread to discuss the riots that happened there. f*ck all to do with
Australia.

Look at the title of the thread ion It says Post your views on the RIOTS. You brought The Romans and Greeks into it. Not me. Yet you have a go at me for bringing Australia into it. Those in glass houses fella. When did the Greeks become the debating point? We were debating the riots and what effect they had over the 4 nights. Well, me and Vis were anyway.

BazSpur wrote:Well, all done and dusted ion. I had no intention of falling out but like you I am passionate about my views and ideas, Anyway it was a good debate with much to-ing and fro-ing both ways.

BazSpur wrote:politics always seems to bring out passion in those who actually care.

100% with you on that one mate. Problem is there are too many apathetic people in this Country who don't care. I used to think it should be law for everyone to vote, like in Australia but I aint so sure now mate. Too many people in this country wouldn't have a clue who to vote for and it could end up being a disaster. All those non voters suddenly having to make a decision Jeeze. Great idea in principle but in practice, not sure. It obviously works well in Aussie not sure what would happen if they refused to vote. What happens there if you refuse to vote? It must have happened.

VisionarySound wrote:I believe if you are 'forced' to vote you have the option to spoil your ballot paper or votr none of the above. I also believe in Oz that the punishment for refusal to cast a ballot paper however you choose is. . . . .
(from the Austarlian Electrol Commitee website)
What happens if I do not vote?
Initially the Australian Electoral Commission will write to all apparent non-voters requesting that they either provide a reason for their failure to vote or pay a $20 penalty.

If, within 21 days, the apparent non-voter fails to reply, cannot provide a valid and sufficient reason or declines to pay the penalty, then prosecution proceedings may be instigated. If the matter is dealt with in court and the person is found guilty, he or she may be fined up to $50 plus court costs.

BazSpur wrote:Ah, but if you don't vote Arnie as far as I am concerned you have no say. How can you comment on something you haven't taken the trouble to vote for mate?

seebee1944 wrote:

the reason a lot of people don't vote is they don't feel it counts. Personally I spoil my paper. When I first started taking notice I decided I didn't like Tory policy and when she who's name I won't mention came to power the dislike turned to hatred. Now I have always lived in very safe Tory constituencies so how will my vote count. That was why I was gutted that the great British public voted against PR in the recent referendum.

ArnieArdiles wrote:

BazSpur wrote:Ah, but if you don't vote Arnie as far as I am concerned you have no say. How can you comment on something you haven't taken the trouble to vote for mate?

So as far as you're concerned , Baz I shouldn't voice an opinion on anything that is going on regarding what I consider the well being of my country and if I do have an opinion, it should be kept to myself ?

BazSpur wrote:

ArnieArdiles wrote:

BazSpur wrote:Ah, but if you don't vote Arnie as far as I am concerned you have no say. How can you comment on something you haven't taken the trouble to vote for mate?

So as far as you're concerned , Baz I shouldn't voice an opinion on anything that is going on regarding what I consider the well being of my country and if I do have an opinion, it should be kept to myself ?

Well you can Arnie. It's just that personally I don't think your views carry any credence. You have opted out of the system mate. At least I can say I didn't vote for that because I don't believe in what their doing and further to that I registered a vote against their policies (Whatever they may be) by voting for a different party. Now when someone says to me did you vote for that I can say yes and I can stand my ground. I just think if you don't vote at all.....you have no voice. How can you have? You haven't bothered to vote. You can comment of course you can but isn't having a vote and using it better than just commenting. If you agree with what a party stands for then vote for it.

VisionarySound wrote:Arnie as I used to use as my signature on AOHell. (to quote the Cockney Rejects) "Freedom, there ain't no f*cking Freedom" . . . . .

ArnieArdiles wrote:Vis & Baz ....It's not that I have all the answers far from it, but it's not me that has the viewpoint that if you dont vote for one of the political parties then your voice is irrelevant .... You ask me for the answers yet in previous posts you describe those who dont vote as apathetic so how would I have the answers ?

I asked a simple question about the main political parties being complicit in the reckless non regulation of the City of London these past 30 years which has resulted in our debt slavery to the bankers for us, and future generations to come and I asked , I'm to vote for them?


This was ignored, now I'm asked, what are the answers for everything?


Perhaps that question should be asked of someone who spend hours upon hours watching tv programmes such as Big Brother , Britain's Got Talent , Eastenders, Jeremy Kyle etc etc ..Well, that's if they also manage to get to a polling booth once every five years that is ...


I dont have the answers but my conscience dictates I cannot vote for any of them for what they represent..You can do what I did a few years back if you wish but you becareful out there ....

If you wish, go join a minority movement of like minded people as yourselves ... They're not all lunatics Baz just because they dont walk the mainstream path ....Thats just a perception propagated by those with the power...


When was the last public demonstration you were involved in , if for that matter, you've ever been on one ?


Go to your local MP's surgery and voice an opinion ... Theres to be a public enquiry about the riots , ask him/her to also push for a public enquiry into the Banking Scam see what response you get..

There was a time my MP Ian Duncan Smith was sick at the sight of me but it all fell on deaf ears and on one or two occasions, his pretorian guard were ready for me ....


Go on, make some noise beyond the safety of the three party political box and see where that gets you.. If you do so, just make sure your phonecalls are not to lengthy and dont include certain words.. Also make sure you have a decent firewall on your computors lol... I could tell you a few things but I'm not going to say online , besides you will only think I'm bullshitting . ...

Anyways I must dash as I have an early pick-up at the airport in the morning ...

Will catch up tomorrow ......


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