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    Post by ArnieArdiles Mon Jan 30 2012, 01:00

    Before we read on I want to make it quite clear this is not a Harry hit piece and the timing of it with him being in the dock is purely coincidental .

    This is more to do with the managerial situation at the club and what Daniel Levy's moves are in the near future and of course the Special One's very own circumstances in Madrid .

    I think Harry represented by his hotshot lawyer QC John Kelsey-Fry will at the worse, get off with a hefty fine rather than do porridge . Harry will then have one more year to go under his present contract at Spurs . Will he fulfill it I'm not so sure as I think despite the bad smell surrounding his Rosie bank account , I think he will still be considered by the FA for the England job and be offered it. Even if he were not to take on the England job I have a sneaky suspicion that if Jose were to become available this summer, then Levy will go ruthless and make his move for 'The Special One'.

    With the building of the new stadium to soon commence this move makes sense.

    The betting money has seen the odds on this happening shorten from 25/1 to 4/1 in the last few days .
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    Post by anicoll5 Mon Jan 30 2012, 01:19

    From the papers this morning the stories seem very strongly to point to Jose quitting Madrid and toward a return to the EPL

    I am a bit dubious about AFC, TH or LFC being crredible destinations as since leaving Porto Jose has only ever managed clubs where there were massive funds on tap for signings, not to mention his salary, and none of the above three fall remotely into that category.

    A step across to the Etihad seems most plausible and of Bobby Manc were to fumble the PL this season a very likely outcome, a return to a love in with Roman perhaps second, and last but not least a job he has always had his eye on at Trafford Park (sadly the present pensioner shows no sign at all of leaving)

    My personal favourite would not be the EPL, and in spite of them recently appointing yet another manager, would be PSG - awash with Qatari cash and desperate for the CL recognition

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    Post by ArnieArdiles Mon Jan 30 2012, 02:06

    anicoll5 wrote:From the papers this morning the stories seem very strongly to point to Jose quitting Madrid and toward a return to the EPL

    I am a bit dubious about AFC, TH or LFC being crredible destinations as since leaving Porto Jose has only ever managed clubs where there were massive funds on tap for signings, not to mention his salary, and none of the above three fall remotely into that category.

    A step across to the Etihad seems most plausible and of Bobby Manc were to fumble the PL this season a very likely outcome, a return to a love in with Roman perhaps second, and last but not least a job he has always had his eye on at Trafford Park (sadly the present pensioner shows no sign at all of leaving)

    My personal favourite would not be the EPL, and in spite of them recently appointing yet another manager, would be PSG - awash with Qatari cash and desperate for the CL recognition


    I've recently seen both Guillem Balague and Graham Hunter Sky Sport's La Liga specialists almost insistant that Mourinho will leave Madrid in the summer as he's not happy how he's being viewed out there by the Spanish press, who have accused him of favoritism of his Portugese players over the Spanish ones... He's also not happy that he's not been able win over a large percentage of the Real support. Madrid supporters are a funny lot , they demand they win the LA Liga and Champs League , playing stylish football and also that the Barca team must be beaten in the process.


    He has said he wants the EPL again so I cant see him at PSG and Ancelloti has just arrived ...

    So if it's the EPL ....


    Man City... .. Looks the obvious destination and even if they were to go on to win the PL , their showing in this seasons CL could go against Mancini.


    Man Utd .... I think this is still Fergie's so long as he wants it .. Cant see him standing aside either way, if the noisy neighbours were to win the PL or if the reds were to do it again.


    Liverpool .. .. Again I can't see Dalglish stepping aside , he would have to be sacked..


    Chelsea .. .. I just can't see this one.


    So it Leaves .. Arsenal & Tottenham ... I wouldn't be at all surprised if we have TWO new managers in North London next season ..With Mourinho AND Deschamps both looking likely to be out of work in the summer, you'd have to go for one of them and I'd be betting at least one of them will be in North London next season ..

    Deschamps managerial record is not to be sniffed at either .
    Won the league with Monaco, and took them to their first ever champions League final. Won the italian cup with Juventus (Beating Inter in the final & even though he took over after they had been relegated due to the match fixing scandals in italy), and got them promoted back into Serie A.. Then he took over at Marseille in 2009 & in his first season he led them to their first league title for 18 years... At Monaco he had a winning percentage of 49.38% (only losing 36 of 160 games)... At Juventus he had a winning percentage of 70.45% (only losing 1 of his 44 games in charge)... And at Marseille he currently has a winning percentage of 54.72% (only losing 21 of 106 games)..

    All change in North London next season , maybe ?

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    Post by seebee1944 Mon Jan 30 2012, 02:59



    I still can't see Harry getting (or wanting) the England job his strength being in hands on with his team. Don't think the England manager gets that as he only sees the players in small periods. Also in view of his defence this week don't think the FA would want a self confessed semi literate, remember all the crap an international manager has to deal with off the field. Now that another younger man seems to be being touted, Brendan Rogers, I wonder if they may go that route. As for Morinho never have wanted him at Tottenham too negative and self obsessed.
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    Post by ArnieArdiles Wed Feb 01 2012, 23:17

    Seebee- I think after the court case is over and as long as he's not doing time Shocked it would be good to see Harry put pen to paper and carry on his work with us ... If he holds out till the summer for the England job before making his decision, by then there may well be other options that might tempt Levy's hand..

    Rodgers of all the up and coming managers seems the obvious if we were to go down that route but as I've already said in my opening post , I just think in this moment in time with the stadium build and CL qualification ( hopefully ), Levy will go for experience.
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    Post by Guest Thu Feb 02 2012, 03:15

    jose not negative. real madrid attack teams and have scored more then barcelona this season
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    Post by seebee1944 Thu Feb 02 2012, 05:23


    Not negative!! Chelsea were never a joy to watch when he was there, beat Barcelona in Champions league with 10 men on the goal line, has Real Madrid fans complaining of the way they play. Christ he's the nearest thing to anti football I can think of. Just detest the man.
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    Post by Guest Thu Feb 02 2012, 06:01

    you detest a winner. the guy wont put up with going to man u and bottling it like we do every season

    in hes first season with real he had to get used to hes players so started defensive. like all good managers do.

    george graham manchin they all build from the back unlike ossie lol

    now in hes second season real madrid or a joy to watch.
    the guy has won everything. hes not intrested in not P*ssing fergie off cos it would be awakrd going with fergie for a drink after the game

    hes a WINNER
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    Post by BazSpur Thu Feb 02 2012, 06:09

    hes a WINNER

    Not when Benitez mugged him and Chelski off twice in the CL.
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    Post by Guest Thu Feb 02 2012, 06:37

    yet hes still won it a few times lol
    unlike our harry whos won 1 fa cup in 50 years lol
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    Post by Guest Thu Feb 02 2012, 07:04

    he deserves to start for us seeing as hes found hes scoring boots. but harry wont drop vdv.
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    Post by ionman34 Thu Feb 02 2012, 11:55

    I agree with Lought on Mourinho TBH.



    Many point at his time with Chelsea as a negative time but why? Under Jose, Chelsea averaged better than 2 goals per game, let in so few you'd think they'd bricked the goalmouth up and won back to back titles.



    Why are they regarded as negative? Well I believe it is because they strangled the life out of the opposition, hence the 'bricked up goalmouth' remark. Under Jose they effectively owned the ball, moved it around and cut you apart once they'd created an opening.



    You know who else used to do this? Brazil. High percentage ball retention, passing the ball over every blade of grass and an end result.



    Now look at Real Madrid, probably the one tean in Spain that is most comparable to Spurs, in the way that they play. Swift, incisive attacking play with high percentage ball retention. The difference between them and us? Well, as follows;

    1. They have more World Class players.

    2. They score more goals.

    3. They are top of their league, a league that I might add that contains arguably the greatest club side ever .............. After Bill Nic's side that is.



    They don't play this well, or achieve this position, in spite of Mourinho but because of him. He was drafted in to overhaul barca and, guess what, he ain't doing too bad so far is he?



    I'd have him in a heart beat as I don't believe for one minute he change our attacking philosophy, but he'd certainly ensure that winning mentality.



    Of that I have not a shadow of a doubt.
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    Post by djfitzo Thu Feb 02 2012, 20:05

    ionman34 wrote:I agree with Lought on Mourinho TBH.



    Many point at his time with Chelsea as a negative time but why? Under Jose, Chelsea averaged better than 2 goals per game, let in so few you'd think they'd bricked the goalmouth up and won back to back titles.



    Why are they regarded as negative? Well I believe it is because they strangled the life out of the opposition, hence the 'bricked up goalmouth' remark. Under Jose they effectively owned the ball, moved it around and cut you apart once they'd created an opening.



    You know who else used to do this? Brazil. High percentage ball retention, passing the ball over every blade of grass and an end result.



    Now look at Real Madrid, probably the one tean in Spain that is most comparable to Spurs, in the way that they play. Swift, incisive attacking play with high percentage ball retention. The difference between them and us? Well, as follows;

    1. They have more World Class players.

    2. They score more goals.

    3. They are top of their league, a league that I might add that contains arguably the greatest club side ever .............. After Bill Nic's side that is.



    They don't play this well, or achieve this position, in spite of Mourinho but because of him. He was drafted in to overhaul barca and, guess what, he ain't doing too bad so far is he?



    I'd have him in a heart beat as I don't believe for one minute he change our attacking philosophy, but he'd certainly ensure that winning mentality.



    Of that I have not a shadow of a doubt.


    Like you say Ion, with world class players, the same world class players he was able to buy at Chelski,Inter and real Madrid.

    He did inherit a team of Pork And Cheese internationals at Porto when he acheived success there.

    My concern is and he is a very good manager, can he do it at a club like ours where purse strings are firmly drawn?

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    Post by anicoll5 Thu Feb 02 2012, 20:37

    And the purse strings likely to be drawn even tighter despite the generosity of the council tax payers of LBH

    Truth is, as after his time at Stamford Bridge, Jose can take a break before taking the job that he really fancies
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    Post by djfitzo Thu Feb 02 2012, 20:40

    anicoll5 wrote:And the purse strings likely to be drawn even tighter despite the generosity of the council tax payers of LBH

    Truth is, as after his time at Stamford Bridge, Jose can take a break before taking the job that he really fancies

    Well, thats likely to be Citeh, Bobbies cracking and if he doesnt bring the title with all that investment, ta ta

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    Post by anicoll5 Thu Feb 02 2012, 20:53

    [quote="djfitzo"][quote="anicoll5"]And the purse strings likely to be drawn even tighter despite the generosity of the council tax payers of LBH

    Truth is, as after his time at Stamford Bridge, Jose can take a break before taking the job that he really fancies[/quote]

    Well, thats likely to be Citeh, Bobbies cracking and if he doesnt bring the title with all that investment, ta ta

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    Even if Mancini were to land the PL he might still find himself out!

    Another point on Mourihno and Chelsea - he took over an very good Chelsea team from Ranieri, probably the best ever Chelsea team up to that point whose points total in Ranieri's last season would on most years have comfortably won the PL, and who had also made it to the CL semi finals

    With the further £100 million Jose then spent on players to strengthen that squad it would have been incredible if he had not won the PL

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    Post by seebee1944 Thu Feb 02 2012, 23:04



    It seems the job he really wants is Man U but that is some way off, so I can't see him going to City because that would rule out United. Don't think Chelsea would have him back because he obviously didn't get on with the Russian ultimately. That leaves us ,Arsenal and Liverpool. My opinion that he wouldn't get on with Levy at Spurs and I don't think we could afford him anyway. Liverpool is possible because Kenny has fallen out with the Americans, and that leaves Arsenal. the most likely. I can see a scenario with him and Whinger in a direct swap of jobs
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    Post by ionman34 Fri Feb 03 2012, 00:04

    djfitzo wrote:
    ionman34 wrote:I agree with Lought on Mourinho TBH.



    Many point at his time with Chelsea as a negative time but why? Under Jose, Chelsea averaged better than 2 goals per game, let in so few you'd think they'd bricked the goalmouth up and won back to back titles.



    Why are they regarded as negative? Well I believe it is because they strangled the life out of the opposition, hence the 'bricked up goalmouth' remark. Under Jose they effectively owned the ball, moved it around and cut you apart once they'd created an opening.



    You know who else used to do this? Brazil. High percentage ball retention, passing the ball over every blade of grass and an end result.



    Now look at Real Madrid, probably the one tean in Spain that is most comparable to Spurs, in the way that they play. Swift, incisive attacking play with high percentage ball retention. The difference between them and us? Well, as follows;

    1. They have more World Class players.

    2. They score more goals.

    3. They are top of their league, a league that I might add that contains arguably the greatest club side ever .............. After Bill Nic's side that is.



    They don't play this well, or achieve this position, in spite of Mourinho but because of him. He was drafted in to overhaul barca and, guess what, he ain't doing too bad so far is he?



    I'd have him in a heart beat as I don't believe for one minute he change our attacking philosophy, but he'd certainly ensure that winning mentality.



    Of that I have not a shadow of a doubt.


    Like you say Ion, with world class players, the same world class players he was able to buy at Chelski,Inter and real Madrid.

    World class players that were being shown how to play as a team by Barca. Mourinho has brought the discipline and organisation needed to win their league, something they were lacking in spades.

    He did inherit a team of Pork And Cheese internationals at Porto when he acheived success there.

    My concern is and he is a very good manager, can he do it at a club like ours where purse strings are firmly drawn?


    That will always be the question hanging over his head, not that I think he's particularly bothered by that. I may be wrong but I can't see him going to OT. He's always going to be found wanting against SAF and I can't see him being happy about that.

    Can't really see him coming to us either, if I'm honest, just stated that I'd have him in a heartbeat. My gut feeling is that he'll go to the goons with 'man who sucks lemons' going elsewhere. I know many believe he'll move upstairs but can you honestly see him and Jose seeing eye to eye on transfer policy?
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    Post by anicoll5 Fri Feb 03 2012, 00:33

    Transfer policy ! Whats that ?
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    Post by ionman34 Fri Feb 03 2012, 00:38

    anicoll5 wrote:Transfer policy ! Whats that ?

    Exactly.
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    Post by anicoll5 Fri Feb 03 2012, 00:48

    If Jose has a list then I reckon it has Manyoo at the top. I do not think it would worry him unduly following Ferguson - his ego really is that big - and he would inherit a very healthy and wealthy club

    Then probably Citeh and an effectively blank canvas to create his own dynasty - oh and pots and pots of cash for players and Jose

    Just possibly a return to the Bridge as I think Jose has learned his lesson - and possibly Roman has - not a bad club but FFP will hammer it

    That is the end of the list
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    Post by Guest Fri Feb 03 2012, 03:10

    not everyone whos spent loads of money wins things. manchine been at man city and still only has the fa cup and look like losing the league.

    winning the champions league with porto was some feat.
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    Post by djfitzo Fri Feb 03 2012, 03:16

    Loughtonlegend wrote:not everyone whos spent loads of money wins things. manchine been at man city and still only has the fa cup and look like losing the league.

    winning the champions league with porto was some feat.


    It was Lought, but like I said, he inherited a very good team, full of Internationals.

    The special one really hasnt had to kind of start from scratch, dont get me wrong, he is
    very good manager and should Harry get bird or the fa come calling, do you want Spurs
    to be the guinea pig for Jose's first venture into making what you got work with limited funds?

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    Post by Guest Fri Feb 03 2012, 03:34

    but harry inherited a very good team here

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    Post by anicoll5 Fri Feb 03 2012, 04:12

    As Arry may have mentioned Lought you had two points - that does not seem the mark of a very good team clown

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